Blake List — Volume 1998 : Issue 84

Today's Topics:
	 Re: Blake and D.H. Lawrence
	 Any news? -Reply
	 The Passion of New Eve
	 Re: Thanks for teaching tips
	 Re: Blake and D.H. Lawrence
	 Re: The Passion of New Eve
	 hi there
	 R: Any news? -Reply
	 Thanks
	 hi there -Reply// shamanism and dancing
	 Re: The Passion of New Eve
	 R: Any news? -Reply -Reply
	 Library facilities
	 A cure for deep depression
	 Re: Library facilities

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:54:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Ralph Dumain 
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake and D.H. Lawrence
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OK, as long as we are on this subject, can someone remind me of the female
writer and the book in which she favorably compared Lawrence to Blake,
claiming that Lawrence realized what was only an abstract ideal in Blake?
The first person I think of is Anais Nin, but my memory may be playing
tricks on me.  I thought Nin mostly wrote erotica.  Clearly I have lost the
relevant brain cells.

"Someone help me out here." -- Phil Donahue

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:05:25 +0200
From: P Van Schaik 
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Any news? -Reply
Message-Id: 

Dear Patricia
I hope you received the brief summary of the book on Blake and
Kbabalah on which I'm working.  Did youfind it suitable for your Works in
Progress section of BIQ?
Pam

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 98 18:22:43 GMT
From: Paul Tarry 
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: The Passion of New Eve
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"And here I am in Beulah, the place where contrarieties exist 
together...Beulah is a profane place. It is a crucible. It is the home of 
the woman who calls herself the Great Parricide, also glories in the 
title of Grand Emasculator; ecstasy their only anaesthetic, the priests 
of Cybele sheared off their parts to exalt her, ran bleeding, 
psalmodising, crazed through the streets."

Hi everyone, I am currently glorying in the novel of the woman who 
called herself Angela Carter, and called this novel The Passion of 
New Eve. I remember first reading it and running psalmodising 
through dark streets to get to the library before it closed to find out 
more. More about Carter, her work and this book. Since then I have 
read lots more Carter and seen how often Blake makes an 
appearance in her dazzling lines. I am wondering if anybody has 
encountered any writing about Blake and Carter, the relationship 
between the two, influence, re-interpretation etc ? I would be very 
interested to hear the thoughts of others who might have been able 
to devote more time to this intrigueing subject. 

As for The Passion of New Eve, well "if you can imagine Baudelaire, 
Blake and Kafka getting together to describe America, you are well 
on the way to Carter's visionary and lurid world." An extrraordinary 
and wonderful book of the imagination and gender-isation, has 
anybody out there felt as inspired (or otherwise) as I was on first 
reading ?  

"We start from our conclusions"

Paul

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:00:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Josh First 
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for teaching tips
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I don't know anything about the library facilities of
your University but here the professor has put all
the Blake Trust Iluminated Books on reserve for
student use for two hours at a time.  Also, there's
the Blake Trust web page (I don't know the address,
but if you search under Blake archive, it'll be the
first thing it pulls up), both of which are excellent
substitutes for making the students buy a copy of the
cheap facimiles (Oxford edition).



===
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:05:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Josh First 
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake and D.H. Lawrence
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Well, I've never read anything by Nin, but I saw the
movie, Henry and June in which Nin is a character. 
At the beginning she is discussing with various
people about her book about Lawrence, so she probably
did write something about Blake in that book (back in
reality).



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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:46:27 -0600
From: tomdill@wc.stephens.edu (TOM DILLINGHAM)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: The Passion of New Eve
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Paul celebrates Angela Carter, one of my favorite writers, as well.
Unfortunately for me, there appears never to have been an edition of
_The Passion of New Even_ published in the USA, and the used copies
of the Gollancz British edition listed via MXBF cost from $150 to
$300, so I am not going to be able to buy one very quickly.  It is
lucky that the American publisher has been reissuing her novels in
trade paperbacks since her early death, and most of the others
are now available, so maybe that one will be forthcoming soon.  I
certainly hope so.
I think I have read all of Carter's published fiction except for that
one novel.  She is far better known in the US for her short stories,
though her later novel, _Wise Children_ got a lot of attention here,
and _Night at the Circus_ is also fairly well known.  I first began
to see Blake connections (that is, awareness of Blake visible in
Carter's works) in _The Magic Toyshop_ and _Heroes and Villains_.
It is also quite evident in _Wise Children_ and may well be throughout
_The Infernal Desire Machines of Dr. Hoffmann_.  I have not read 
enough of Carter's non-fiction to know if she has discussed Blake, 
though she might well have mentioned him in _The Sadeian Woman_.

If you have access to _Marvels and Tales: Journal of Fairy-Tale Studies_,
the most recent volume (12.1, October 1998) is a special issue devoted
entirely to essays about Carter's work, especially _The Bloody Chamber_.
It is a good issue (the journal is published by Wayne State University
Press_), but my impression so far is that the focus of the essays, as
is appropriate in this journal, is on Carter's adaptations of fairy tale
and folk material; there seems not to be any reference to Blake.

I would say, on the basis of my reading, that Carter's writing shows
Blakean influence in its reversals or inversions of traditional
moral/social values and in its sometimes intricate dialectical 
plotting.  (Why "sometimes"??  Delete.)  The fact that she alludes
directly to Blake only reinforces what would otherwise be an
impression.  My guess is that Carter would have responded 
especially to Visions of the Daughters of Albion, MHH, Book of
Thel, and the Songs.  I suspect someone somewhere is doing this
study already, since I recently read somewhere that there are more
dissertations in progress on Angela Carter than any other 20th
century writer (or maybe than any other writers, period).  So the
Carter industry flourishes, as the _Marvels and Tales_ issue 
effectively illustrates.
Tom Dillingham 

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:09:52 -0700
From: "S&J Faulkner" 
To: Blake 
Subject: hi there
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Well it's nice to hear people using all those juicy Blakean characters and
words as if it were another language.
        
    Blake has been a great inspiration for me because I was one of those
scientists immersed in the 'wrotten rags' of cause and effect in medicine.
Not that I am saying we should throw out the baby with the bath water - for
acute illness I still want the knife and scalpel but more and more I see a
rising tide of souls struggling with chronic illness and depression.

        When I encountered my own depression, at first I believed it was a
serotonin deficiency. Newton would adhere to this idea. But eventually a
voice, the Redeemer, said 'you are more than a chemical imbalance, Stephen,
perhaps there is more going on'.
  
    I guess that was the Los in me stirring, awakening me from the dreadful
grip of Urizenic thinking that ten years of medical school had instilled in
me. What an awakening to realise that fourfold vision was possible - not
that I can achieve that for more than a few minutes at a time.

    So how does this all get me to Shamanism and  Indigenous healing
practices? Once unleashed from the binds of Newtonian reasoning, I was able
to look around me and see the amazing healing thatwas happening in my own
back yard. In the Longhouse tradition of Native Northwest American people I
had access to an Eden of healing. I always wondered what the drumming was
about - I could hear it from my bedroom at nights at 2 in the morning.
Spirit sickness is what they call the restlessness of the Soul or what we in
the west coldly call clinical depression.

    Soul work is what they are doing. Gradually I gained the trust of these
people and learned what soul work was really all about. Blake spent his
whole life doing soul work. Those who suffer from anomic depression must do
soul work for their survival ( anomy - a feeling of alienation and
remoteness from the mainstream consciousnsess  " oh why was I born with a
different face....")

    What I see the world moving towards is a fantastic change of
consciousness - beginning to do Soul work - on a massive scale. It's not
about either/or. It's not about one paradigm better than another  -  it's
about moving into living with no paradigm. For me , it is Blake who has
shown that this is possible. 

            " I rest not from my great task, to open the immortal eyes of
man inward
                In to the worlds of eternity, ever expanding in the bossom
of God
                    the Human Imagination ...."



                            Stephen Faulkner
 

 

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hi there


Well it's nice to hear people using all those juicy Blakean cha= racters and words as if it were another language.
        
    Blake has been a great inspiration for me because I= was one of those scientists immersed in the 'wrotten rags' of cause and eff= ect in medicine. Not that I am saying we should throw out the baby with the = bath water - for acute illness I still want the knife and scalpel but more a= nd more I see a rising tide of souls struggling with chronic illness and dep= ression.

        When I encountered my own d= epression, at first I believed it was a serotonin deficiency. Newton would a= dhere to this idea. But eventually a voice, the Redeemer, said 'you are more= than a chemical imbalance, Stephen, perhaps there is more going on'.
  
    I guess that was the Los in me stirring, awakening = me from the dreadful grip of Urizenic thinking that ten years of medical sch= ool had instilled in me. What an awakening to realise that fourfold vision w= as possible - not that I can achieve that for more than a few minutes at a t= ime.

    So how does this all get me to Shamanism and  = Indigenous healing practices? Once unleashed from the binds of Newtonian rea= soning, I was able to look around me and see the amazing healing thatwas hap= pening in my own back yard. In the Longhouse tradition of Native Northwest A= merican people I had access to an Eden of healing. I always wondered what th= e drumming was about - I could hear it from my bedroom at nights at 2 in the= morning. Spirit sickness is what they call the restlessness of the Soul or = what we in the west coldly call clinical depression.

    Soul work is what they are doing. Gradually I gaine= d the trust of these people and learned what soul work was really all about.= Blake spent his whole life doing soul work. Those who suffer from anomic de= pression must do soul work for their survival ( anomy - a feeling of alienat= ion and remoteness from the mainstream consciousnsess  " oh why wa= s I born with a different face....")

    What I see the world moving towards is a fantastic = change of consciousness - beginning to do Soul work - on a massive scale. It= 's not about either/or. It's not about one paradigm better than another &nbs= p;-  it's about moving into living with no paradigm. For me , it is Bla= ke who has shown that this is possible.

            &qu= ot; I rest not from my great task, to open the immortal eyes of man inward             &nb= sp;   In to the worlds of eternity, ever expanding in the bos= som of God
            &nb= sp;       the Human Imagination ...."= ;



            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;  Stephen Faulkner
 

 
--MS_Mac_OE_2992975795_152611_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:19:07 +0100 From: "DAX" To: Subject: R: Any news? -Reply Message-Id: <01be07cb$cad27be0$LocalHost@massetti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Pam, > >Dear Patricia >I hope you received the brief summary of the book on Blake and >Kbabalah on which I'm working. No, I didn't. Did youfind it suitable for your Works in >Progress section of BIQ? >Pam > Well...... I will tell when I read it. Where can I find it? Ciao, Patrizia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:16:03 +0100 From: "DAX" To: Subject: Thanks Message-Id: <01be07cb$5d7a3c40$LocalHost@massetti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for every hint. The thankful receiver bears a plentiful harvest. Not bad for a proverb of hell! Ciao, Patrizia - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:55:25 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com Subject: hi there -Reply// shamanism and dancing Message-Id: Thank you, Stephen, for your perceptive relating of Blake to Shamanism and the healing of the soul. Many years ago, I wrote a short piece, not suited to academic publication, on this, as I was also struck by the ways in which North American shamans cast off the restraints of their ego-selves to find kinship with `the other'. In ancient Persian mythology, too, there were often representations of human figures with wings as well as feet becoming transformed into serpents ... representative probably of the spiritual aspirations of the human soul as well as its sensual leanings. I think it is a pity that in Western society there is no way in which those suffering from depression can be brought into the healing dance and so made part of the community and be supported by it. Increasingly , there are groups who do `sacred dancing', but it would be really wise if psychologists could recommend such to their patients withou feeling they are being unprofessional in doing so. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 98 11:02:32 GMT From: Paul Tarry To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: The Passion of New Eve Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, indeed anyone else on the list, you are in for a treat when you get to read The Passion of New Eve, Carter herself described it as her favourite work and it is definately my favourite of hers. There are many Blake allusions, not least the setting of a major section in Beulah, where the philosophy is; "Proposition one: time is a man, space is a woman. Proposition two: time is a killer Proposition three: kill time and live forever." You could try ordering it from the newly set up Amazon UK operation, I'm sure it is available that way and well worth the trouble. In amongst Carter's non-fiction there are many WB references although no specific essay about him or his work to the best of my knowledge. I am pretty sure "The Sadeian Woman" contains a lot of Blake quotation, interesting too how Germaine Greer quotes big wedges of Will in The Female Eunuch. I still haven't come across much feminist writing on Blake, I'm sure it is out there, perhaps somebody could offer some recommendations ? It seems then that there isn't much out there yet on the Blake-Carter axis, it is waiting to be explored though and lets hope someone somewhere is. A while ago I did a lot of background reading on Carter and The Passion particularly, I remember reading some very interesting stuff about Science Fiction in relation to the structure etc. Have to hunt that down from the loft, if I come across any interesting Blake related stuff I'll report back. "Bare harmless children of the desert address her in a tongue of clicks and grunts Kunapipi Kalwadi Kadjara when men put on false breasts in her honour." Take flair, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:10:11 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com Subject: R: Any news? -Reply -Reply Message-Id: I'm rather taken aback that my first reply didn't reach the Group, but will try now to send a summary again of my work in progress. My book, provisionaly entitled, "Such Sublime Conceptions" explores correspondences between Blake's vision of the Fall and Redemption of man and the ideas expounded by a series of thinkers who contributed to the Jewish mystical tradition of the Kabbalah. It takes up ideas intimated in the work of Kathleen Raine in her work on Blake, but develops these in close relation to specific images and ideas in both Blake and the Kabbalah. It also presents ideas which I think will appeal to the general reader as well as the specialist, and I could give the entire work a more popular slant than it presently has, if necessary ... at the moment it is more academically oriented. I envisage it as an illustrated book with anything between 5 and 20 of Blake's designs, in black and white and colour. Chapter One, entitled "The 'Tree of Life' and Universal 'Man on High' ", I explore the ways in which Blake's evocation of Eden and Beulah , where all of God's Children live in unity in Innocence, relates to the Kabbalistic "radiances" of the Tree of Life. For example, possible correspondences between Blake's Jesus and Jerusalem and the "Upper Father" (Hokhmah) and "Upper Mother" (Binah) are explored, particularly in relation to imagery relating to the divine marriage in which the masculine and feminie aspects of God are united in perfect harmony. Blake's four zoas are then discussed in relation to the qualities represented by other "radiances", or Sefiroth, on the Tree of Life, focusing in particular on interesting parallels between unfallen Urizen, Albion's Prince of Intellect, and "Din", representing the power of Divine Judgment in Kabbalah, as, in Chapter Two, entitled "The Inversion of the 'Tree of Life', the ways in which the `contraction' of both of these contributes to the Fall is fully explored. Urizen's casting of Jerusalem out of Albion as a 'harlot' is related to the kabbalists' vision of the first sin when Adam, `deceived by the serpent of false knowledge' separates the Shekhinah from the other Sefiroth. Also, correspondences between Urizen's insistence on moral law and the kabbalistic view of evil arising from an imbalance between god's divine mercy and rigour are explored. Blake's consistent use of the imagery of boulders and rocks in relation to Urizen and the fallen world he creates, is related to similar images evocative of a tragic divine contraction in Lurianic Kabbalah. Similarly, images of the closing and desolation of Jerusalem's `Gates', the building of Babylon, the breaking of God's vessels of light and the imprisonment of the scattered light in `shells' of matter, in both cosmogonies, are also explored. In Chapter Three, entitled "The Gathering of the Scattered Divine Sparks", the laments of Albion's Emanations, and their nostalgia for the joys of the past in Eden and Beulah, is discussed as a prelude to showing how Los's sustained labours at his Furnaces may be related to kabbalistic imagery of the `coal' , `flames' and the `Kings of Edom' being in a state 'Judgment without Mercy' and the `six days of formative creation' during which six imperfect worlds are moulded into better form. Los, Albion's Prince of Imagination, is identified as the Blacksmith figure of the poem, "Tyger" and as seeking to create a better world than the imperfect ones formerly created by Urizen and Albion's other fallen Zoas. ... a world more like that in which Jesus and Jerusalem were revered and honoured. He is seen as endeavouring to break with his Hammer of Mercy, and the assistance of his redeemed Emanation and the inspiration of Christ, the ugly dogmas and forms (the `shells of deformity' ) created by the fallen vision of Urizen. His efforts are related to the kabbalistic vision of `teshuba', the repentance necessary to the upliftment of the divine sparks and their restoration to integrity within the Eternal Man, Adam Kadmon. Chapter Four deals with how Los and Orc bring about the Apocalypse in which Urizen's vision is recognised as delusory and all of God's children are freed from their bondage in the `shells of matter' . Orc's dissipation of the 'Shadowy Female' by fructifying her `Furrows' with his fiery `Lightnings', so restoring the desert wilderness to fruitful `Gardens of Love' is related to kabbalistic imagery of male and female copulation and orgasm. The restoration of Jerusalem to her former state of beauty and glory is related to the kabbalistic idea of the "Grand Jubilee". In the final Chapter, I try to point out similarities between Hasidic thought and some of Blake's ideas and explore the possibility that Blake's evidently detailed knowledge of Kabbalistic symbolism as well as underlying philosophy regarding the creation of a fallen world by a fallen demiurge could have been inspired by awareness of the contents of the Zohar, Lurianic Kabbalah, as well as Hasidism. Please let me know, at your earliest convenience whether you would like to see sample pages and chapters, or not. I can be contacted quickly via the email address at the top of this letter. Thanking you, I am, Dr Pam van Schaik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:22:30 +0100 From: stavis@coco.ihi.ku.dk To: blake@albion.com Subject: Library facilities Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104122230.007bf100@coco.ihi.ku.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Joshua, It would seem that your librarians are much more cooperative than ours. Blake is not a big name in this department, so we unfortunately don't own the Blake Trust books, and when I requested that we acquire them, I was told that there wasn't enough interest in them to warrant such an expenditure. I might try getting the students to use the internet, though. Henriette. At 12.00 03-11-1998 -0800, you wrote: >I don't know anything about the library facilities of >your University but here the professor has put all >the Blake Trust Iluminated Books on reserve for >student use for two hours at a time. Also, there's >the Blake Trust web page (I don't know the address, >but if you search under Blake archive, it'll be the >first thing it pulls up), both of which are excellent >substitutes for making the students buy a copy of the >cheap facimiles (Oxford edition). > > > >=== >Joshua First >jfirst@rocketmail.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:40:50 GMT From: timli@controls.eurotherm.co.uk (Tim Linnell) To: blake@albion.com Subject: A cure for deep depression Message-Id: <199811041940.TAA02366@merlot.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My indigenous North Western English grandmother used to prescribe a spell of hard physical labour for depression, usually adding the mystic incantation 'and bloody well pull yourself together, stop moping, and snap out of it' to start her disciples on their healing journey. Worked pretty well too. I suppose there's an element of that in ritual dancing - intense physical activity always does make one forget mental anguish. And of course western tradition uses ritual too to supply balm for the soul, although one is more likely to get dry biscuits and wine stuffed down one's throat by a man in a funny hat than jiggle around singing at two in the morning under the exhortations of an exotic mushroom crazed mystic sporting animal body parts (although some recent evangelical churches do employ precisely this technique). Both approaches, I suspect, work better than drugs, which really just defer the moment of depression and are, like antibiotics (often ludicrously prescribed for the common cold), far too frequently prescribed in our quick fix obsessed society, and anything that promotes the natural tendancy of the body to heal itself is to be encouraged. The danger is when a religious or spiritual framework is invented around what are fairly normal physiological healing process, ascribing cures to miraculous causes. Worse still, this is an area open to manipulation and fraud by unscrupulous evangelical gatherers of credulous souls or simple charlatans. It is a serious problem. It can kill people if taken too far. Pulling in Blake to support such ideas is about as sensible as quoting the Hobbit to prove that dragons and dwarves exist, and serves only to muddy the water - both are works of fiction, not fact. There is a simple objective measure of faith healing techniques: do they result in cures? No study that I am aware of has ever suggested there is anything in play other than simple physiological or psychological effects in play. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:13:04 -0500 (EST) From: Meredith W Thomson To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Library facilities Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Joshua, Don't forget Inter-Library Loan programs: most libraries have facilities for that kind of thing. And look at the VIrginia-Library of Congress etc.etc. Website. They are doing what looks to be a complete edition of electronic versions of Blake plates. And they will forward you to other Blake Websites. I think, as well, that the original editors (Essick, Eaves and Viscomi) are making a deal with the Tate gallery to produce the Blake Trust version in paperbacks, for around $30.00. Meredith Thomson On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 stavis@coco.ihi.ku.dk wrote: > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:22:30 +0100 > From: stavis@coco.ihi.ku.dk > Reply-To: blake@albion.com > To: blake@albion.com > Subject: Library facilities > Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:22:30 +0100 > Resent-From: blake@albion.com > > > Dear Joshua, > > It would seem that your librarians are much more cooperative than ours. > Blake is not a big name in this department, so we unfortunately don't own > the Blake Trust books, and when I requested that we acquire them, I was > told that there wasn't enough interest in them to warrant such an > expenditure. > > I might try getting the students to use the internet, though. > > Henriette. > > At 12.00 03-11-1998 -0800, you wrote: > >I don't know anything about the library facilities of > >your University but here the professor has put all > >the Blake Trust Iluminated Books on reserve for > >student use for two hours at a time. Also, there's > >the Blake Trust web page (I don't know the address, > >but if you search under Blake archive, it'll be the > >first thing it pulls up), both of which are excellent > >substitutes for making the students buy a copy of the > >cheap facimiles (Oxford edition). > > > > > > > >=== > >Joshua First > >jfirst@rocketmail.com > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- End of blake-d Digest V1998 Issue #84 *************************************