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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:09:03
From: Izak Bouwer
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Subject: Blake&Buddhism?
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In his _Descriptive Catalogue_ Blake refers to a
(now lost) drawing entitled “The Bramins,” with subject
“Mr. Wilkin translating the Geeta.”
Blake therefore had some contact with Hindu thought.
But what about possible contact with Buddhism?
He himself never used the word “Buddha” or derivative,
but some authors have suggested parallels in his
work with Buddhist themes (e.g. Self-annihilation). One
wonders what opportunities existed in the England of his
day for him to get to know something about Buddhism.
Kathleen Raine mentions the journal edited by Sir William
Jones entitled _Asiatick Researches_ and an 1801 article
by a Captain Mahoney called
“Singhala, or Ceylon, and the Doctrines of Bhooddha.”
In the first few years of his apprenticeship (1772-1779)
to Basire, when he was 15+, it is generally conceded that
among other jobs, he worked on some of the engravings
for the three volumes of Jacob Bryant’s _A New System,
or An Analysis of Ancient Mythology . . ._ (1774-76).
I thought it might be interesting to see if this work contains
any references to Buddhism. It does, but very superficially,
and with amazing details and mystifying deductions:
>From Vol. 3 (pp.572-3): “By Dai-Bod was meant the God Budha;
whose religion was styled the Budso: and which prevailed
greatly upon the Indus, and Ganges.” He quotes Kaempfer:
“_The Chinese and Japanese call him Buds and Siaka. The
people of Siam represent him under the form of a Moor,
in a sitting posture, and of a prodigious size. His skin is black,
and his hair curled_: by which, I suppose, is meant woolly:
_and the images about him are of the same complexion._”
On p.582: “Though the Indians seem in general to have had
strait hair; yet their deities are often described as woolly.
Also among the Siamese, both Budha; and Amida, is [sic]
represented under a character, which approaches to that of a
Negro. We are informed by the writer of the Dutch Embassy,
that black in Japan is a colour of good omen. This is
extraordinary: for the Japonese are by no means black: nor
has their hair any tendency to wool. Those, who imported
this notion, and framed these figures, copied their own
complexion, and the complexion of their ancestors. The
statues abovementioned are said to represent Ethiopians:
and they were certainly people of that family, the
Indo-Cuthitae, who came into these parts, and performed
what is mentioned. But their national marks have been
worn out by length of time; and by their mixing with the
people, who were the original inhabitants.”
Izak Bouwer
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:53:56 +0200
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Hi All,
I am an Italian student (older than the average age, my University is =
small and it is usual to see married women there, I am one of them+ADs- =
it is a place like a sort of Congregational meetings) writing a thesis =
about D.H. Lawrence (Mexican Period).
Anyway, I have always loved the Romantics and poetry, I have read very =
little about Blake. He is a fascinating figure.
He is not very much studied in Italy. Two years ago I attended a course =
about the Romantics and Blake was among them, but not a word about him =
was uttered. I only knew that M.Pagnini was doing a book about him. =
Pagnini
is an old Professor (one of the best about the English Romantics in =
Italy and he came here for a lesson on Coleridge, he is really very =
good and fascinating (he was 80)).
He said that Blake is a poet for an old man, because an old man can =
study him, relaxing (no toil anymore).
But what is strange is that even if Blake is not so much studied he is =
everywhere. In films, in magazines it is easy to find references on him. =
D. H. Lawrence has much in common with him, but what is this =
+ACI-much+ACI-? I want to explore
the marriage theme in +AF8-The Plumed Serpent+AF8-(my 3th chapter). =
Marriage is an important word also for Blake, it appears in the title of =
his works.
I subscribe to this list to find a stimulus to improve my knowledge =
about such a poet, that is a sort of myth in our society, without having =
any myth, so perhaps I will be lukewarm.
Ciao
Patrizia
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:54:20 +0200
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