Blake List — Volume 1998 : Issue 44

Today's Topics:
	 Re: BladeRunner
	 Re: BladeRunner, etc.
	 *Read* Blake?
	 Radio show: The Politics of the Romantic Hero
	 brief introduction
	 Urizen, Un-Chinked
	 And to Samuel T. Coleridge...
	 The Clod and The Pebble
	 Four-Fold Vision
	 I Mean...
	 Re: Urizen, Un-Chinked
	 Egotism, Solipsism and Ignorant Self-Display as a kind of Spam


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:12:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: BladeRunner
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While watching BladeRunner this past week, a line from the replicant played by Rutger Hauer caught 
my ear, "...deep thunder roll'd around their shores:  Indignant burning with the fires of Orc...".  
Thought you might appreciate this obscure reference.			-John Bryan


Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nelson Hilton 
Subject: Re: BladeRunner
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Let's not forget how, with Blake dilution typical of mass culture, Roy
begins this "quote" with "Fiery the Angels fell, deep thunder ..." etc. 
(rather than, as _America_ 11.1 has it, "Fiery the Angles rose, & as they
rose deep thunder ..."  --which reiterates to no avail the scandalous
inversion of having the "Angels" "rise").

Julie Burchill's recently published _Diana_ offers another public
appropriation according to this quotation in A. N. Wilson's review (_TLS_
July 10, p. 9):  "'"A tear is an intellectual thing'", said William Blake,
and in Diana this somewhat baffling phrase was made flesh.  Diana cried
not out of sentiment, but from a profound and intelligent vision of
another world .... Just a little more hurt, another sharp turn of the
screw and she would find the words and her way home; transformed not by
love, but by pain.'" 

sic transit ...

   Nelson Hilton -=- English -=- University of Georgia -=- Athens
        Was ist Los? "Net of Urizen" or "Jerusalem the Web"?

On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 wrote:

> While watching BladeRunner this past week, a line from the replicant played by Rutger Hauer caught 
> my ear, "...deep thunder roll'd around their shores:  Indignant burning with the fires of Orc...".  
> Thought you might appreciate this obscure reference.			-John Bryan


Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:10:42 -0500
From: Eve Delain-Belcher 
Subject: Re: BladeRunner, etc.
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There's an X-Files episode where Mulder and Scully are investigating some mysterious deaths and
disappearances in a small town, and Fox quotes one of the Proverbs of Hell.  As a retort to one of
Scully's quips about his far out cannibalism theory, he says, "If the fool would persist in his folly
he would become wise."  Fox is, of course, dead on with his theory.  (Pardon the pun.)

Eve Delain-Belcher wrote:

> While watching BladeRunner this past week, a line from the replicant played by Rutger Hauer caught
> my ear, "...deep thunder roll'd around their shores:  Indignant burning with the fires of Orc...".
> Thought you might appreciate this obscure reference.                    -John Bryan


Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:19:40 -0400
From: (R.H. Albright)
Subject: *Read* Blake?
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Oh my dear friend.......

We don't READ Blake here.

We SEE him,
preferably in living color.

And "living *gothic* forms?
Have you ever heard the old adage to
trust the tale, not the artist?

Or the one about
"sum something up
and it's dead"?

I see living *things* all through Blake, but...
rarely abstracted into mere
much less a positive image of... Gothic?

Or are you talking about "Gothic" as in Ken Russell's movie?
Truly, Blake could evoke nightmares as well as dreams.

I have noticed some interest in the Zoas.
Yes, indeed.
What a great debt Blake had to Assyria, Ezekiel,
St. John the Divine, and... Ancient Greeks who
believed in water, fire, stone, and earth.
And how greatly he transmuted some of that stuff
into his own life.

A foreign greatness is the BEST antidote
to our native Kabbalism,
don't you think?

Mere mathematical forms, indeed!

His reliance on Michelangelo, who in turn relied on...

        well, does anyone know who *did* the Laocoon?

                It's safely in the Vatican now.

But what a struggle!
What a Heraclitean strife!

Don't you want to SEE the Zoas as they hatch
an egg?

It's the fertilization of _Milton_'s path on plate 32.
Or maybe they aren't actually breaking the shell
as much as much as turning it from the mundane
into fire, all glowing, and *alive*.

Please note that the egg itself has Adam and Satan
within it.

Could it be, unsaid, that together, four-fold,
they become Albion on an intersection path
with Jerusalem?


Really, the blow-job from Milton to Los is KEY.

So... so different than the sublime sun
and whitewashed look of a ruin at Stonehenge
on plate 70 of _Jerusalem_.

There I see... whitewashed people

                Don't you love ruins?

Or the reconstruction of Noah's Arc on a fast track,
plate 44,
forgiving Jehovah
or re-joining with Elohim
moving on?

Some may think The Blues is plate 41 of J,
my Blake Trust Plate 8 of _Urizen_ looks fairly
disgruntled, too.
And isn't a relief to move from plate 10 to 11
in that _First Book..._? Whew!

I mean, some may talk about the Marriage of Heaven
and Hell, but...

Do you really think the prolific could *survive*
without the devouring?

Stain the water CLEAR, my dear friend.
Or stain the clear water with your
with your four-fold BLOOD.

        -----------Randall Albright


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 11:20:12 +0100 ( + )
From: Paul Tarry 
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Subject: Radio show: The Politics of the Romantic Hero
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If you live in the UK or can pick up the signal another way, you might 
interested in the following: 

The Politics of the Romantic Hero
Wed, 12 Aug, BBC Radio 3, 20.20-20.40 
The golden age of the Romantic Hero begins with the French 
Revolution in 1789 and ends with the exile of Napoleon in 1815. In 
paintings, poetry and music, the hero declares war on a corrupt 
society in order to save it.


Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:00:47 -0300
From: "Ing. Guillermo Martinez-Funes II" 
Subject: brief introduction
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On joining the list I was asked to mail a brief introduction. I'm a
nuclear engineer from Buenos Aires, Argentina who happens to like English
Literature. I was very much impressed when I first read "The Tiger", and
still am. But, I'm sorry to say, I'm not an expert at all, and English is
not even my native language. I'm here to learn and enjoy. So, I'll keep
quiet and listen to your thoughts. Thanks for sharing them with me.
Guillermo Martinez-Funes
Buenos Aires, Argentina.

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:26:47 -0400
From: (R.H. Albright)
Subject: Urizen, Un-Chinked
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Actually, I highly recommend the "Annotations of Lavatar",
particularly when Blake comments in response to
"The purest religion is the most refined Epicurism..."

that this is "True Christian philosophy".

Only the Urizenically chinked-up would have reductionistally
summed up "Epicureanism" as the same thing
as that great philosopher, Epicurus.

And I must also now say that "To Tirzah"
what a ridiculous statement Jesus made to
his mother, and what a BAD, BAD boy
Blake was to follow Swedenborg in believing
that, although Jesus was born out of... someone other
than either a magic Gabriel Trumpet
or... Joseph...
to think that he merely inherited his BODILY
form from his mother???

Surely he jests!

What have I got to do with you?
Well-- what you got to do with ME?
How about EVERYTHING, my friend.
We NEED each other,
even if in new and in different ways.

And while some may scoff with their own preconceptions
chinked up on what Blake and... others... have done
w/ that line...

Think about it!

This is mere adolescent rebellion.
Even though I believe Jesus was PAST adolescent
at that point in time.

Although I agree with Blake that Jesus was wrong
to overthrow the money changers at the Temple,
it DOES go down in history in my "Rainbow Bible"
of youth as one of the most vividly illustrated!

Who can forget it?

And isn't the point still well taken?

I fall on my knees, GENUINELY humble,
to the anonymous patient friend of mine in this group
who told me that Blake, Thoreau and Emerson had
more in common than may appear on the surface.
It was just this summer that I saw the three
lumped together in _The American Century_ by
Norman F. Cantor w/ Mindy and... smiled!

I smile as I hear that another of my anonymous friends
has temporarily moved on from Blake to...
Lou Reed.
But will be going back to Blake and Wordsworth and
Coleridge in the future. For one thing, to suggest a re-gain
what was originally a great sense of HUMOR.

And those who fear fools? Or folly