Blake List — Volume 1997 : Issue 34

Today's Topics:
	 Re: Blake on the Web (1)
	 Re: Looking for a cross -Reply
	 A stonking good art history bookshop site...
	 UnFallen Urizen
	 Re: introduction
	       RCPT: Re: introduction
	 Hello Hassanah & Denise
	 Re: Quote
	 Re: Quote: "Mary" & letter to Thos Butts


Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:39:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Skoblow 
Subject: Re: Blake on the Web (1)
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On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Ralph Dumain wrote:

> The most interesting references given are to articles in academic journals.
> There is one recurring source -- somebody please tell me whether this is a
> journal -- called PAPERS ON LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE.  There are two articles
> listed in this entity that I need: "History when time stops: Blake's
> America, Europe and The Song of Los" and "Colonialism, race, and lyric irony
> in Blake's 'The Little Black Boy'".
yes ralph, this is a journal, it's published at southern illinois
university at edwardsville.
jeffrey skoblow


Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:01:35 -0700
From: "Charlie K." 
Subject: Re: Looking for a cross -Reply
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There is a cross with a serpent nailed to it in one of his sketches
of 'A Vision of The Last Judgment'.



Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:21:38 +0000
From: (Tim Linnell)
Subject: A stonking good art history bookshop site...
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I thought the following site might well be of interest:

It has an excellent stock of art history books, new, second hand,
and antiquarian, and Blake is well represented. Apparently it's just 
opened. Well worth a look.



Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:48:11 -0600
From: Vesely 
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Ralph, you are digging up some good material.  If you want a list of
periodicals dealing with literarary topics, the MLA bibliography has one in
each publication, and it is online at our university--you might be able to
get a similar service in your vicinity.   You might also want to see Frank
Jordan's Annotated bibliography on the Romantics.  The section on Blake is
by Mary Lynn Johnson (Grant), one of the subscribers to the blake list.
That is pretty old but thorough for what it covers.  Also see _Blake: An
Illustrated Quarterly_ for frequent updates on what's been published.
Sorry if I'm telling things you already know--but I got the idea that you
weren't aware of these items.  Thanks for the interesting citations.  

Suzanne Araas Vesely

At 12:06 PM 3/17/97 -0800, you wrote:
>"In replacing the Christian God with the Artist as Divine Artificer, Johnson
>employs a strategy that is similar to that of William Butler Yeats in his
>essay 'Bishop Berkeley.'  Yeats argues that Berkeley managed to overcome one
>Western obstacle to self-realization--empiricism; but not the
>other--Christianity. To protect his Christian orthodoxy, 'Berkeley
>deliberately refused to define personality' as reflecting 'the whole act of
>God; his God and Man seem cut off from one another' (405-06).  He dared not
>take 'the next step'-- the step taken by William Blake and Hinduism--that
>conceives God as embodied in man (408).  Blake, Hinduism, and the Romantic
>poets, Yeats suggests, substituted for Berkeley's God the creative self as
>the connection between the perceiver and the perceived world." 
>-- Storhoff, Gary. "The Artist as Universal Mind: Berkeley's Influence on
>Charles Johnson", AFRICAN AMERICAN REVIEW, vol. 30, no. 4, winter 1996 (pp.
>539-548), p. 548.  (Charles Johnson Issue)


Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:59:49 -0500 (EST)
From: WATT 
Subject: UnFallen Urizen
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Jennifer: I am intrigued by the notion that Urizen is never protrayed other 
than in the fallen (time / space) mode or context.  Is your thinking along 
the lines that cognition (as a sub-species of rational energy) requires 
causality or a cause > effect chain?  If so, there is a nice distinction that 
Milton makes in _Paradise Lost_ between eternity and time / space.  It 
seems hardly likely that W.B. would have not noted it.  In Book V, after 
Raphael, the "affable angel" comes to lunch, he responds to Adam's 
question about the suitablity of the menu (which sounds something like 
your own hesitation re: Urizen, the unfallen), as follows: "Oh, Adam, one 
Almighty is, from whom / all things proceed, and up to him return ... then, 
after some more detail about the chain of being, he concludes by 
naming Fancy and understanding, whence the Soul receives intellectual 
spirits, and distinguishes between reasoning in time / space and 
reasoning in Eternity as follows: reason is her [the Soul's] being. / 
Discursive, or Intuitive; discourse / Is oftest yours, the latter most is ours, / 
Differing but in degree, of kind the same." (P.L. V:469-90)  It might not have 
escaped Blake's notice, either, that Intuition / Intuitive reasoning, the kind 
favored by Angels, is also favored by Eve.  It is this context, I think, which 
adds extra pathos to the plight of Ahania --something my wife tells me is 
still understood by Eve's daughters in discourse with men.  Hope this is 
some help.  Jim Watt


Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:37:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Ralph Dumain 
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At 10:48 AM 3/19/97 -0600, Vesely wrote:
>Ralph, you are digging up some good material.  If you want a list of
>periodicals dealing with literarary topics .....

Thanks for your various suggestions.  My basic limitation is time rather
than access.  Blake is my hobby.  I have used the MLA Bibliography on CD-ROM
many times because one gets instantaneous results.  But I don't have time to
look up older material in print form.  I bought Jordan's bibliography at
full price from MLA upon someone's advice.  It was worth every penny.
However, I have recently seen copies at used book stores for $6-10.  And I
am a new subscriber to BLAKE: An IQ.

>Thanks for the interesting citations.  

Interesting or not, I make a point of providing these citations, because
being a fanatical bibliographer myself, I know the fetish for documenting
everything on a particular historical figure, useful not only for the
archivally anal retentive but for gauging the broad general social impact of
the historical figure of one's choice.  I do this sort of thing viz. Blake
and others.  When I began uploading these obscure citations, I was
encouraged to continue doing so by G.E. Bentley.  And years before the
advent of e-mail, I wrote to G.E. Bentley (though he is unlikely to remember
this) to supplement the one Esperanto translation from Blake he cited (the
most obscure Esperanto translation of all time) in BLAKE BOOKS, with more
translations.  I owe him yet another update on this topic, the data for
which is buried in deep storage for a long time to come.

I have yet further pages of various sources dog-eared for Blake citations,
but I get buried in paperwork, so I can't always follow through.

Now if someone could help me with my recently posed query on the
dissemination of Blake in the Caribbean.  I got zero response.


Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:18:45 +0000
Subject: Re: introduction

To :  Denise Vultee.

My name is Hassanah Briedis, and I am working on a doctoral thesis 
which examines the work of Blake, Emily Dickinson and G.M.Hopkins and 
their relationship to publication / isolation, self-publication / 
multi-media, and discourse / audience - all within the framework of 
discourse stylistics, pragmatics and speech act theory.

It's not often I notice another postraduate student working on Blake, 
on this list.  Most of the participants seem to be professionals 
whose profession and/or hobby is Blakean culture.  I don't yet feel 
well enough informed to jump into the discussions that are going on. 
But your mention of Hypertext caught my attention, since this will be 
one of the focii of my thesis, albeit a small one.  I would very much 
like to set up some dialogue with you if you are interested.

Over here in Australia we miss out on so much of the academic work 
being done in this area - I refer to seminars, conferences and so on. 
Even journals are that much harder to get hold of.  I would be really 
grateful for a first-hand report on the seminar you mention on Blake 
and Hypertext, and I'd like to hear about your proposed dissertation.

Hoping to hear from you, and if necessary we can continue discussion 
privately, unless anyone else out there gets interested in our topic!

Yours,  Hassanah Briedis,  Monash Uni., Melbourne, Aust.


Date:          Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:47:10 MET
From: "Ib Johansen" 
Subject:       RCPT: Re: introduction
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Confirmation of reading: your message -

    Date:    21 Mar 97 15:18
    Subject: Re: introduction

Was read at 0:47, 22 Mar 97.


Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:38:09 -0600 (CST)
From: (susan p. reilly)
Subject: Hello Hassanah & Denise
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Dear Hassanah and Denise:

I for one am very happy to see you both engaging in the dialogue (or 
strange lack thereof, lately) at  Welcome both.  You each 
sound like you have lots to offer listers.  Hassanah, don't be shy.  
You & Denise sound as well-informed as anyone on the list.

I thought that Albion was languishing in some dark, Satanic, 
preternatural state;  thanks for bringing some light back to its 

Susan Reilly


Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:17:39 -0500 (EST)
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:00:40 -0700
From: "Charlie K." 
Subject: Quote
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O why was I born with a different face
Why was I not born like the rest of my race
When I look each one starts! when I speak I offend
Then I'm silent & passive & lose every Friend

  --  W. Blake, 16 August 1803


Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:56:00 -0800
From: (Michael Hanson)
Subject: Re: Quote
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>O why was I born with a different face
>Why was I not born like the rest of my race
>When I look each one starts! when I speak I offend
>Then I'm silent & passive & lose every Friend
>  --  W. Blake, 16 August 1803

Though i've been lurking here for some time, i can't help but remark with
gratitude on seeing one of my favorite stanzas of Blake's lyrics appear on
this list, as if by a synchronicity I would not name.  Mary, the poem from
which this comes, probably refefering to Blake's friend (as well as  the
mother of Percy Shelly's brilliant wife) Mary Wollstonecraft, is, IMHO one
of the most moving lyrics of Blake's mid  career.  I discovered this poem
twenty years ago, and it still never fails to bring tears to my eyes.
Thanks Charlie.
I hope to be joining this list more actively soon, as the discussions,
sometimes dormant, sometimes overwhelming in their volume, always seem to
lend relief to this time - bound, fallen life.

Michael Hanson

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:42:07 -0600 (CST)
From: (susan p. reilly)
Subject: Re: Quote: "Mary" & letter to Thos Butts
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Chaz & Michael:

The Poem recently quoted in part on the list, "O why was I born,"  and 
later identified by  Michael  as a stanza from "Mary" seems to have an 
interesting history.

In a letter to Thomas Butts, (Aug, 1803)  Blake included a form of the 
poem, untitled, as follows:

O why was I born with a different face?
Why was I not born like the rest of my race?
When I look, each one starts! when I speak, I offend;
Then I am silent & passive & lose every Friend.

Then my verse I dishonour, My pictures despise,
My person degrade & my temper chastise;
And the pen is my terror, the pencil my shame;
All my talents I bury, and dead is my Fame.

I am either too low or too highly prizd [sic];
When Elate I am Envy'd, When Meek I'm despised.

In the letter, Blake describes the verses as "a picture of my Present 

Apart from these verses, there is another poem titled "Mary," wch is 
much longer and, as far as I can tell, contains only an approximation 
of 2 lines of the poem contained in the letter to Butts.  These are:

"O why was I born with a different face?
Why was I not bron like this envious race?"

and even the last line above is different (vide "this envious" for "the 
rest of"). 

Keynes only says of "Mary" that it was discovered in the Pickering MS.



Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:44:44 -0700
From: "Charlie K." 
Subject: Quote
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[Harold Bloom points out the autobiographical nature of this passage
from Plates 6 & 7 of Jerusalem...  indeed I would say this reflects
some very personal psychological goings on within the Great Poet's
mind...  the Hammer as Blake's pen, the Spectre as Blake's doubt,
Albion as all Blake's beliefs, Los as Blake, etc., etc...  -ck]


In terror of those starry wheels: and the Spectre stood over Los
Howling in pain: a blackning Shadow, blackning dark & opake
Cursing the terrible Los: bitterly cursing him for his friendship
To Albion, suggesting murderous thoughts against Albion.

Los rag'd and stamp'd the earth in his might & terrible wrath!
He stood and stampd the earth! then he threw down his hammer in
     rage &
In fury: then he sat down and wept, terrified! Then arose
And chaunted his song, labouring with the tongs and hammer:
But still the Spectre divided, and still his pain increas'd!

In pain the Spectre divided: in pain of hunger and thirst:
To devour Los's Human Perfection, but when he saw that Los
Was living: panting like a frighted wolf, and howling
He stood over the Immortal, in the solitude and darkness:
Upon the darkning Thames, across the whole Island westward.
A horrible Shadow of Death, among the Furnaces: beneath
The pillar of folding smoke; and he sought by other means,
To lure Los: by tears, by arguments of science & by terrors:
Terrors in every Nerve, by spasms & extended pains:


Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:18:19 -0700
From: "Charlie K." 
Subject: Quote
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He said to me that all children saw "Visions" and the substance of
what he added is that all men might see them but for worldliness or
unbelief, which blinds the spiritual eye.

  --  George Richmond
     (comment in margin of Gilchrist's 'Life')

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