------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blake-d Digest Volume 1996 : Issue 63 Today's Topics: "Pity" and "Good and Evil Angels" Mailing list Quiet Weekend Re: discipleship of Blakeans: US vs. UK -Reply Friedlander's Conclusion Time for repose in Beulah Ron WEIRD BLAKE SIGHTINGS: CLR JAMES ON POSTWAR EUROPE (1945) Re: retrospective blake sighting Re: [Fwd: The grave of William Blake] Mailing list Blake citing Re: RADICAL EXPRESSION -- QUERY Fresh Air Interview Re: RADICAL EXPRESSION -- QUERY NPR Fresh Air Tape Copies Friedlander's Conclusion Re: retrospective blake sighting ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 13:02:21 -0400 From: albright@world.std.com (R.H. Albright) To: blake@albion.com Subject: "Pity" and "Good and Evil Angels" Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Blake hated the concept of "pity," and I often wonder... Why? Here's the beginning of "The Human Abstract" in _Songs of Experience_: "Pity would be no more If we did not make somebody Poor, And Mercy no more could be If all were as happy as we;" This is actually used in the "official" Unitarian Universalist hymnal, along with roughly four other Blake poems as songs or readings. While I like the element of compassion here, I personally have not made "somebody Poor." In fact, I would argue that pity is a root element that can grow into compassion and help us to do overcome the injustices which Blake complains about. Pity's first definition in the American Heritage Dictionary , 1985 edition, is: "sorrow or grief aroused by the misfortune or another; compassion for suffering" Sounds noble, doesn't it? Could it be that Blake didn't want people to "pity" him any more than think him "insane"? The answer, I think, is YES. But it undermines the good elements to the word "pity", which he also used as the title to one of his most famous 1795 watercolours. I have shown the postcard of "Pity" to some friends without any explanation of what it means, and the general consensus is that it's a dead woman, with either her dead child or her own child-like spirit being taken away from heaven. But this, it appears, is not what Blake meant at all! (Not that viewers don't have rights, Mr. Blake!) It turns out that Pity was the original name of Enitharmon, and in doing another classic Blakean fusion (as well as fission in his own mythological system), he also merges, according to Martin Butlin's _William Blake_, her with an image from Shakespeare's MACBETH: 'And pity, like a naked new-born babe, Striding the blast, or heaven's churbin, hors'd Upon the sightless couriers of the air...'" Butlin goes on to say that it also alludes to another stage in man's fall: "In _Urizen_ the emotion of pity so disturbs the Eternal Prophet, Los, that 'the first female form' separates itself from his body and is called Pity or Enitharmon, once again subtracting from the completeness of the original man." (I looked into this myself: it's on Plates 18-19.) So Pity/Enitharmon has given birth to a kid... Los's, I assume... (she tried to run away in CHAP:VI but he followed. Cool... How very male...) And now she's exhausted from the trauma of giving birth to the little creature in this watercolour. Considering how grotesquely Blake painted the pregnancy, I'd be wiped out, too. And it sounds like the kid in ERASERHEAD when she gives birth... an abomination instead of miracle. From CHAP VI: "8. A shriek ran thro' Eternity, And a paralytic stroke, At the birth of the Human shadow. "9. Delving earth in his resistless way, Howling, the Child with fierce flames Issu'd from Enitharmon. "10. The eternals closed the tent; They beat down the stakes; the cord (Plate 20) Stretch'd for a work of eternity; No more Los beheld Eternity." I PITY Pity. I PITY the kid, too. She got created, like Eve, to further divide the self but as a sex-mate to Los. She got pregnant after trying to run away from him, sounding more like rape than romance. The "morning sickness" is surrealistically frightening and full of sorrow. The Eternals were alarmed at the birth and closed their tents in a kind of "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" rejection of the whole thing. And what choice did SHE have in the matter? None. Los loses, too; he no longer gets to behold Eternity, so I feel sorry for him for awhile... He bathes the kid in springs of sorrow (oh well, that's life!), and gives him back to Pity/Enitharmon. The kid's name is Orc. (We're in CHAP: VII now.) Los doesn't sound like the kind of eternal prophet I'd like as my father. He chains his poor baby to a rock out of jealousy, and in my reading Enitharmon was sexistly dragged along as witness. She wept at the act. This isn't S&M, folks? Actually, this is a common problem with first-borns and fathers. Dad used to have Mom's undivided attention; now Son becomes her #1 priority, and Dad gets jealous... so maybe Los is addressing THAT issue. Or maybe he's bitter because he no longer beholds Eternity and blames it on Orc. At any rate, he takes matters in his own selfish hands and it's tragic. I thought Los had real potential... (and, of course, later he does...) Thank God the dead woke up to hear the kid! But Orc never gets mentioned again! We hear that Enitharmon bore many more kids... a whole race, in fact. But Orc, dear Orc... you didn't deserve that! So I go to AMERICA: A PROPHECY to see more of Orc, older now, red, called a "demon", an "angel", still in chains at the beginning of the poem, fed by the shadowy daughter of Urthona (Earth's Owner... cute!). He and his fires play quite a prominent role in that poem! Great Orc proclamations in Plates 8 and 9. But then Orc doesn't seem to have a sense of control at the end of the poem (Plate 16)... why must we always burn down old orders to create new ones? At least the flames are in heaven and only ROUND "the abodes of men." That's about as far as I'm going with Orc right now (One must go to _Vala_ or _The Four Zoas_ for more info...), but I just wanted to clarify that Pity is in and of itself a component of compassion, a GOOD thing. ------------------------------------------- About half the people to whom I show "The Good and Evil Angels" postcard think that the Evil Angel is bringing on the descent of night, with curtains of darkness, and another half think that they aren't curtains at all: they're flames. This delightful ambiguity is partly caused by the way Blake drew and painted. If Michelangelo were to draw flames or curtains of night, there wouldn't be such a question. But neither would there be enough play in the imagery for a number of connotations. Butlin's assessment of "The Good and Evil Angels" is that it's a derivative of an earlier watercolour, "Los and Orc" (1792-3), although the composition is so totally different that I disagree with him on that. The closest compositional antecedent to "Good and Evil Angels" I've seen is Plate 4, "Marriage of Heaven and Hell". In that composition, what might be construed as the "evil" angel is indeed the person coming out of flames, but his expression is one of delight (which fits with the poem), not blindness and drifting like the "Good and Evil" watercolour. So Blake sets up a pattern in "Marriage", then uses it again with VERY different implications in "Good and Evil...", and it is important to note that in neither the plate nor watercolour are Los and Orc even mentioned! Butlin's book description of the painting goes on to tell us that this shows "Orc's energy has become perverted and sterile." I KNEW he looked like a GoodYear Blimp with nowhere to go, just drifting! And I blame Los. Bad father. Enitharmon was too busy having babies and being sexist-abused to fight back. But this was their first-born kid, abandonned by his Dad, chained up. It's really sad. I loved Orc in AMERICA: A PROPHECY! And so what if Damon tells me he is only Revolution in the material world! There's a place for all of us, don't you think? So why was Los such a jerk of a father? If he had protected Orc as well as he's now protecting the terrified child, maybe I'd feel sorry for him. But instead, with this knowledge, I feel sorry for Orc and HATE Los. Then Butlin concludes that the protection is "from Orc's malevolence, but neither child nor incident can be found in Blake's writings and their precise significance is uncertain." Notice the shift... "from Orc's malevolence" to "but neither child nor incident can be found in Blake's writings and their precise significance is uncertain." Ah, uncertainty.... good thing that Blake called them simply "Good and Evil Angels" and left the precise meaning up for grabs! If you want to see my interpretation of "Good and Evil Angels", originally drafted for this group: http://world.std.com/blake3.html -R.H. Albright ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 13:55:09 UT From: "ANDY KUPSCO" To: Blake@albion.com Subject: Mailing list Message-Id: Please take me off the list, Thanks, Andy Kupsco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 96 14:01:28 UT From: "John Hubanks" To: "Blake List" Subject: Quiet Weekend Message-Id: I haven't received anything from the Blake List since early Saturday morning. Is it just extraordinarily quiet this weekend, or have I been unsubscribed somehow? JH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 09:55:51 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, jmichael@seraph1.sewanee.edu Subject: Re: discipleship of Blakeans: US vs. UK -Reply Message-Id: I recently gave a talk to the Blake Society in London on some correspondences between Blake and the Kabbalah, so they do encourage academic lectures in addition to creative output. Several years ago, the Society expressed some interest in staging the masque in Blake's own words which I offered to them in St James, but , as South Africa was still under Apartheid rule, the idea was dropped - in line with the academic boycott on all South Africans. Pam van Schaik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:03:29 CST From: "Edward Friedlander, M.D." To: blake@albion.com Subject: Friedlander's Conclusion Message-Id: <21498461F9D@ALUM.UHS.EDU> I make my living by diagnosing disease, within the limits of scientific knowledge, and teaching others to do the same. However, I'm well-aware that this is not the purpose of this list. At the same time, I'm surprised to see the character attacks that I'd expect (and have been subject to) from creationists, communists, AIDS activists, and a few others. Gotta respond, briefly. > willfully ignoring contradictory evidence, A serious accusation, fellow-scientist. Very serious. What did I ignore? Please tell the list. > and otherwise forcing the > issue of madness without considering that we really do not have a solid > definition of the term. Foucault is of course right-- but I'm not talking about "madness", but a particular constellation of subjective experiences which are a pretty good match for the classic descriptions of schizophrenia. There really are discrete diseases. Sorting them out has given us great power to change what we can expect from our lives. Some are actually non- diseases, or mixed-blessings. Right now, I'm most interested in the window that Blake may present into the wonderful (yes, wonderful) world which schizophrenic patients inhabit. It would go a long way to helping my fellow-physicians be more understanding, empathetic, and even (perhaps) appreciative. > psychoanalytic criticism If I were doing psychoanalytic criticism, I am an anachromism and belong in my gross specimen collection. I don't know anybody who takes that stuff seriously any more. Ask any contemporary psychiatrist sitting for his boards. Psychoanalysis contributed to the study of schizophrenia only the insight that the visions and voices are symbols. It's funny to be lumped with the postmodernists... I've got a neighboring site explaining "Why I am Not a Postmodernist." At least, I hope.... Here are the facts -- Blake's descriptions of his visions in his private works provide a striking match for the classic descriptions of schizophrenia as provided by Kraepelin, Bleuler, and Jaspers. These include, but are not limited to -- words flying around the room; -- visions as static works of art; -- voices of known people, invisibly, from particular points in space; -- double-vision; a bed is also a polar bear, a thistle is also an old man; -- the idea that someone has been replaced by a convincing imposter (Blake on Napoleon) -- the visions are "in my head" but still real (the sculpted lambs); -- apocalyptic imagery. What did I ignore? Blake regarded at least some of his visions and voices as being autonomous, as Voltaire can voice words in French, but they become English for Blake. Schizophrenia is now redefined (pending our working-out of its neuroanatomical / neurophysiological basis) in terms of a checklist from DSM-IV relating to what clinicians can observe, and little attention is paid to the distinctive characteristics of these people's visionary experiences. *** A few years ago, an ACT-UP activist invaded my office, called me a "murderer", and explained that doctors didn't care about AIDS patients. I handled this as Blake would surely have done. I sat him down, let him talk for a while, and then explained. I was the pathologist with the special interest in AIDS for the area. I did AIDS autopsies eagerly, even though (at the time) I believed I was placing my life in some danger. After 45 minutes, I offered, and got, a bearhug from the activist. This has been my model for all the personal attacks that have followed, from every corner. It's all a matter of opening the windows of the mind, the doors of perception. Those of us in the sciences have been insulated too long. I welcome the free and honest exchange of ideas. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:22:08 CST From: "Edward Friedlander, M.D." To: blake@albion.com Subject: Time for repose in Beulah Message-Id: <214E7BA4A11@ALUM.UHS.EDU> I've continued reading and now regret even having responded at this time. During the last few months, I've watched several lists turn sour because a few people get into shouting matches. "Anglican" got nasty for several weeks; the trigger was somebody asking me (in response to something I'd written about the morals of organ transplants) "How many baby's hearts has Dr. Friedlander eaten au gratin"? I am not making this up. (Urizen's "Net of Religion" enwraps again!) "MedStu-L" got unbearable because of a dispute between osteopathic and MD students. "Talk-Man" got nasty for a week after somebody accused me of "playing God" when I described my successful, pro-bono defense of an innocent man wrongly accused of a sex crime. Talk about "the spectrous chaos." Those of us who are sophisticated enough to know and love Blake surely have a broader vision. Blake's writings are sometimes prickly, but it seems to me that he was a man of good will and uncommon kindness, outstanding in his era. I would ask to table the consideration of "Friedlander's Conclusion" for now. We need to "cease from mental combat" for a time, and be ministered to by the daughters of Beulah. In the meantime, visit if you like. Ed the pathology guy erf@alum.uhs.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:25:49 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Laplace-Sinatra To: Blake List Subject: Ron Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The second issue of *Romanticism On the Net* - an electronic journal entirely devoted to Romantic Studies - is now available. This is the Table of Contents of *Romanticism On the Net* 2 (May 1996): ARTICLES: - Duncan Wu (University of Glasgow): 'Tautology and Imaginative Vision in Wordsworth' - Ruriko Suzuki (Tohoku Gakuin University, Japan): 'Translation in the 1790's: a Means of Creating a Like Existence and/or Restoring the Original' - Matthew Scott (Magdalen College, Oxford): 'The Circulation of Romantic Creativity: Coleridge, Drama, and the Question of Translation' REVIEWS: - Ruth Mead (University College London): 'On G. Kim Blank, *Wordsworth and Feeling: The Poetry of an Adult Child*' - Michael John Kooy (Keble College, Oxford): 'The Painful Wonder: On Rosemary Ashton, *The Life of Samuel Taylor Coleridge*' - Michael Laplace-Sinatra (St. Catherine's College, Oxford): 'On Sheila M. Kearns, *Coleridge, Wordsworth, and Romantic Autobiography: Reading Strategies of Self-representation*' - Kris Steyaert (University College London): 'On Andrew Bennett, *Keats, Narrative and Audience: The Posthumous Life of Writing*' Apart from offering new articles and reviews in each new issue, the journal contains call for papers, descriptions of other academic journals, and links to other web sites. One of the unique features of the Internet is that articles and reviews from previous issues are still easily accessible for consultation. *Romanticism On the Net* can be accessed at the following Internet address: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat0385 (please note new URL address) and at its US mirror-site at Stanford University Librairies: http://www-sul.stanford.edu/mirrors/romnet/ --Michael Laplace-Sinatra ----Editor *Romanticism On the Net* ------michael.laplace-sinatra@st-catherines.oxford.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ralph Dumain To: blake@albion.com Subject: WEIRD BLAKE SIGHTINGS: CLR JAMES ON POSTWAR EUROPE (1945) Message-Id: <199606032148.OAA12243@igc2.igc.apc.org> C.L.R JAMES & WILLIAM BLAKE ON POSTWAR EUROPE "Today, and that is the new stage, economic and political domination go hand in hand. With trifling exceptions ... every single European government in existence was established by imperialist power, could not have been established without it and is maintained by it. Stalin maintains the bourgeois states in Eastern Europe. With the possible exception of France, Truman is responsible for the maintenance of every government in Western Europe. That is the new Europe. And today, we, the Marxists, are to call on the workers to revolt to substitute new bourgeois governments 'independent' and 'autonomous' in order to prepare them for socialism. There is a case where in the phrases of Blake, the embattled angels must throw down their spears and water heaven with their tears. For even they could not establish an independent bourgeois Poland! It would take a volume to show the ruin which the retrogressionists make of Marxism." -- from: Johnson, J.R. (pseud. of C.L.R. James), "Historical Retrogression or Socialist Revolution -- Part II: The Test of Events", THE NEW INTERNATIONAL, February 1946, pp. 59ff. Article dated 10 September 1945. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:12:31 -0500 From: tomdill@womenscol.stephens.edu To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: retrospective blake sighting Message-Id: <96060318123171@womenscol.stephens.edu> Howard is quite right about Wilson's _Glass Cage_--it is memorable not only for incorporating Blake into a murder myster, but for it entirely disappointing and inadequate conclusion--as with so much genre fiction (and almost everything Colin Wilson ever published) one is frustrated to see such an interesting, even challenging, idea be thrown away on such a feeble performance. I have wondered if Philip Kerr's more recent _Philosophical Investigation_ (which involves Wittgenstein in much the same way Wilson employed Blake) might have been influenced by the Wilson book, but there are actually a number of mystery/sf stories, as I recall, that turn on knowledge of the works of one writer or philosopher or another. I do recommend Kerr--but Wilson's book is not worth the time. Tom Dillingham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:06:16 -0400 From: TomD3456@aol.com To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: The grave of William Blake] Message-Id: <960604020615_548853379@emout10.mail.aol.com> In an e-mail answering a query of mine, Jennifer Michaels kindly gave me the information you requested. She wrote: "Bunhill Fields is where Blake is buried. As we discussed on the list not long ago, his actual grave was not marked, but a marker was erected some years afterward. If you enter the cemetery and turn left where the central paths cross, you'll see it next to the much larger Defoe obelisk in the middle of the path." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:08:04 +0300 (IDT) From: yitzhak mandelbaum To: Blake@albion.com Subject: Mailing list Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How do you get off the list? vthanx, yitzie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 09:38:56 CDT From: Mark Trevor Smith To: blake@albion.com Subject: Blake citing Message-Id: <9606041444.AA09183@uu6.psi.com> Yesterday on NPR's "Fresh Air," A. S. Byatt was interviewed. I did not catch the title of her latest book. The interviewer said something like, "I thought that the poetry would be very difficult to understand, but it was all stuff that everyone was reading in the 60s, Blake, ..." Maybe someone else can fill in more of the context, but she definitely said the last 8 words quoted above. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 11:37:46 -0400 From: Kyle Grimes To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: RADICAL EXPRESSION -- QUERY Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960604090252.1b5f7986@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:25 AM 5/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >Yesterday I spotted a used copy of RADICAL EXPRESSION by James A. >Epstein for $12. This has to do with political opposition in >Britain in Blake's time. There are only two passing references to >Blake. Did someone mention this book recently in connection with >Jon Mee? Do you think I need this book, too? > I'm not sure what particular purpose the book might serve in your studies, Ralph, but Epstein's work in British history is excellent. Of special interest in RADICAL EXPRESSION is his work on the "constitutional idiom"--essentially a discussion of the expression in popular radicalism of the old question about the nature of the English constitution. I have fairly extensive notes somewhere; I'll dig them out if you're interested. Kyle Grimes arhu018@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:46:41 -0500 (CDT) From: William Neal Franklin To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Fresh Air Interview Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Today on "Fresh Air" Peter Ackroyd was interviewed. Very interesting, but I only caught the last few minutes and there was no follow-up on getting a tape. Does anyone know an e-mail address for "Fresh Air" or whether or not they still offer tapes? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:03:22 +1000 From: jon.mee@anu.edu.au (Jon Mee) To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: RADICAL EXPRESSION -- QUERY Message-Id: <199606042203.IAA20207@anugpo.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to agree with the comments on the excellence of Epstein's book. The Epstein book would probably be useful not just for the content of its detail about the constitutional idiom - of relevance because of Blake's various uses of the idea of a primitive liberty - but also because of its methodological interest in political struggle in the period as a struggle about representation and access to the emans of representation. This issue has been controversial and can be traced back at least as far as various debates about Gareth Stedman Jones and the language of class. Given Blake's identification of the Wine Press with the Printing press, for instance, it would be useful way of thinking about the politics of Blake's prophetic books. Jon Mee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 17:09:11 CDT From: "Marilyn Carbonell" To: blake@albion.com Subject: NPR Fresh Air Tape Copies Message-Id: <9605048339.AA833933610@smtpgate.ssb.umkc.edu> KCUR-FM (Kansas City) airs Fresh Air at 6 pm so I am rushing to get home and hear the interview with Peter Ackroyd. To order a cassette recording of Fresh Air programs the telephone number is: 800-934-6000, each cassette is $15.45, including postage The Fresh Air home page URL is http://whyy.org or the NPR home page is www/npr.org. Found a page listing by month, each Fresh Air program, including a brief synopsis of the interviews. --Marilyn Carbonell (MCARBONELL@cctr.umkc.edu) University of Missouri-Kansas City ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 19:32 EDT From: "Elisa E. Beshero 814 862-8914" To: blake@albion.com Subject: Friedlander's Conclusion Message-Id: <9606042335.AA13302@uu6.psi.com> Dr. Friedlander, Don't worry--I'm not shouting. You asked me to tell the list what evidence you had ignored. Let me begin by asking you a question so that we can maybe clear up some possible miscommunications. Is it the consensus among psychiatrists that there is no such thing as a "normal" human being, and that all of us are in some way schizophrenic? I'm asking this question because I'm curious about the issue of using metaphors--and how you determine the motives people have for using them. I think there is enough evidence from Blake's letters to show that he was a wily rhetorician who was aware of the effect his words could have on an audience. I'm not saying that schizophrenics can't be wily, but are all wily people necessarily schizophrenics? Could Blake have used the metaphors he did because he knew they would sound preposterous to his readers? Maybe he wanted to make them think and read in a new way? The point I was trying to make is that your thesis seemed too narrowly focused on diagnosis when the evidence you were using was certainly open to different points of view. Let me rephrase: It seemed to me that basing a diagnosis on written words from two centuries ago was to make a diagnosis based on _insufficient_ evidence. I'm not as well versed in psychiatry as I'm sure you are, (I'm not really a scientist now--I'm a doctoral student in English literature) but I am aware that you need evidence about a patient's behavior --you need to witness a live person in action--before making a claim about what specific kind of mental disorder they have. When I grouped your thesis with an old-fashioned kind of psychoanalytic criticism, it was because you wrote an interpretation of English literature that tried to nail down what specific disorder a writer was suffering. When I say that you could have considered other kinds of evidence, I mean that you could have considered other uses of apocalyptic metaphors. How can you know whether Blake _really_ saw angels? What other reasons could he have had for saying this? Sure, you can say that his use of metaphors is consistent with that of certain kinds of schizophrenic patients, but you don't have sufficient evidence to _prove_ that Blake was schizophrenic, because you haven't personally observed his behavior in your office, have you? I don't want to reduce this to a shouting match either, Dr. Friedlander. Is it so unreasonable to suggest that when Blake says he sees angels, he wants to redefine what we understand by the term, angel? How does Blake use the term angel in the _Marriage of Heaven and Hell_? Could he be referring to real live contemporaries of his? Or is he just seeing things? Despite your asking the list not to respond, I think our disagreement opens up some interesting possible lines of conversation. Please retort back! I look forward to your point of view on how schizophrenics use metaphors. Maybe you'll convince me after all, but I don't think you can _prove_ your point. . . --Elisa at Penn State ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 17:05:06 +0000 From: Dan Rubin To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: retrospective blake sighting Message-Id: <31B46CC2.6120@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am looking for a email mailing list for my friend for the general discussion of poetry. Does anyone know of one or can anyone help me find one for her. Thanks - Dan -- Dan Rubin "What I wouldn't give to find a soulmate System Analyst ...someone else to catch this drift." Keane Consulting Inc. daniel.j.rubin@worldnet.att.net - Alanis Morissette -------------------------------- End of blake-d Digest V1996 Issue #63 *************************************