------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blake-d Digest Volume 1996 : Issue 3 Today's Topics: Re: Intro Re: introduction Re: Brief introduction Sheila Spector Bibliography Re: Sheila Spector Bibliography Re:Re: Brief introduction Re:Re: Brief introduction Re:Re: Brief introduction Re:Bloom Re:Bloom Blake's Milton Nobodaddy's Children Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton Re: Re:Bloom Re[2]: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton RCPT: Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton Re:Re: Brief introduction Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton Re: Re: Brief introduction Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton Re: Blake's Milton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 14:23:16 CST From: Mark Trevor Smith To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Intro Message-Id: <9601132027.AA02473@uu6.psi.com> >>have recently become interested in Kaballah, amd I am curious about what if >>anything Blake knew of the kabbalistic tradition. I seem to remember that >>Denise Seurat cited Kaballah as an influence, as it was on Milton. Damon >>also acknowledges resemblance between the kabbalistic Adam Kadmon and >>Blake's Albion, but believes that Blake "apparently . . . took nothing >>directly from the Kaballah" Can anyone out there enlighten me or at least >>point me forward on this matter? >> You'll want to look at the work of Sheila Spector in Blake and His Bibles and in Blake: An Illustrated Quarterly. She made pretty strong claims for the influence, but David Erdman advised her to assert more circumspectly. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:22:31 +0800 (SST) From: LIM WEE CHING To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: introduction Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 rooney@travel-net.com wrote: > The only thing is that if the government of singapore views blake as > subversive importing is illegal. Even if one of us was to mail it often > packages are searched and coficated. Such was the fate of some guns' n roses > posters i tried getting to a friend. The accompining Ottawa postcard made > it, alone. She said that they are ramdomly selected so a neatly wrapped > little box may not be as suspious as a poster tube. Gee, ya think? > amanda > rooney@travel-net.com Fortunately, the S'pore government does not see Blake, nor most other lierary figures, and their works as subversive or it would not've been allowed on the educational syllabi here (and in my case, a tertiary one at that). The reason why works of some works of literature and most literary scholarship are commercially unavailable is because there is no ready and strong market, to support/justify distributors here importing these works. I thank you and many others on the list for your concerns and suggestions. It is indeed very reassuring to find so much support here in contrast to the reactions I get from most people back here, often referring to my course of study as "YOUR literature" and I can assure you, it is this sort of opinion towards literary studies, which is held by the general S'porean public, that is keeping those books from the shelves. And the government is not helping, making the study of literature at lower-secondary school level optional, when it used to be compulsary. Sigh! But, thanks to all once again. TA! CHING ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Denise E. Gigante" To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Brief introduction Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What divorce are you talking about? What Yeats book are you talking about? Do you know what you're talking about? On Sat, 13 Jan 1996 WaHu@aol.com wrote: > Yes indeed it is old weird Harold Bloom. Who used to love Blake. His Blake > book was written before the divorce. And before his influential anxieties > became public. It's kinda cute, but not as good as Frye; and it should have > been better. He wrote it too soon, I think. His bbok on Yeats was his best > before Anxieties of Influence. And it was immediately before. There's a lot > about Blake in that book, as well, of course. I think Bloom was still a > horse of instruction when he wrote his Blake book. > > Too bad there isn't a book on Blake by Leopold Bloom! Now that I would read. > > I know Harold wishes there was one too.... > > But I always get a chuckle whenever I read any Blake commentary. Anybody who > tries to give the who struck John of those muddled prophecies is like > somebody trying to dub a film from Tagaolog into English and they only speak > Korean. > > Some Blake commentaries are only less inept than others. > > The Blake book by Bloom was originally from Cornell U. Don't know if its > still in print, but I suspect so. > > > Hugh Walthall wahu@aol.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:49:12 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Gourlay To: blake@albion.com Subject: Sheila Spector Bibliography Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII These are some articles relevant to Blake's use of Hebrew sources by Sheila Specter: "Kabbalistic Sources -- Blake and His Critics." Blake: An Illustrated Quarterly vol. 17 #3, (Feb 1984):84-101. "The Reasons for 'Urizen.'" Blake: An Illustrated Quarterly vol. 21 #4 (May 1988): 147-9. "Sources and Etymologies of Blake's 'Tirzah.'" Blake: An Illustrated Quarterly vol 23 #4 (June 1990):176-83. "Blake as an Eighteenth-Century Hebraist." Blake and His Bibles (West Cornwall, CT: Locust Hill, 1990): 179-229. "Hebraic Etymologies of Proper Names in Blake's Myth." Philological Quarterly 67 (1988):3-28. These citations are taken from G. E. Bentley's Blake Books Supplement. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:27:19 +0000 From: sternh@WABASH.EDU To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Sheila Spector Bibliography Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thank you very much for the Spector bibliography. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:29:54 -0500 From: WaHu@aol.com To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re:Re: Brief introduction Message-Id: <960115122953_42387505@emout05.mail.aol.com> Oh yes, I know all about Harold Bloom. Yeats OUP, 1970. Blake's Apocalypso, 196? Cornell UP. Bloom loved Blake very much, but in the Western Canon he doesn't have a chapter on him, hell, he admits he bumps him for some german poet who's last name starts with G. No one alive knows more about Blake than Harold Bloom, but that sure sounds like a messy divorce to me. The Yeats book has been in paper for many years. You might also be interested in Harold's wretched science fiction novel. But as you seem not to believe me, I won't tell you the name. Must'nt make things explicit. Hugh Walthall wahu@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:48:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Mae Tang To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re:Re: Brief introduction Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 WaHu@aol.com wrote: > The Yeats book has been in paper for many years. You might also be > interested in Harold's wretched science fiction novel. But as you seem not > to believe me, I won't tell you the name. Must'nt make things explicit. > > Hugh Walthall wahu@aol.com Said "wretched science fiction novel" is Bloom's _The flight to Lucifer: A Gnostic Fantasy_. ;) Read it some time ago. I do admit, I was disappointed by the quality of the prose and narrative, although, as a kind of menage of Gnostic thought and philisophy, it was interesting. For really good Gnostic fantasy / sci-fi, though, I'd head straight for Phillip K Dick's trilogy: _Valis_, _The Divine Invasion_ and _The Transmigration of Timothy Archer_. Bloom's version was a kind of intellectual curiosity; (sex, violence, Gnosis and Harold Bloom???!); P K Dick's writing on that is gripping, slightly estoeric, and extremely moving at points, IMO. But, back to Blake! ;) Or, what do people out there think of the idea of Blake as a Gnostic? (Probably a boring question; but back on topic!). Regards, Mae ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 22:52:20 -0500 From: Penn Hackney To: "blake@albion.com" Subject: Re:Re: Brief introduction Message-Id: <199601160350.WAA13582@yoda.fyi.net> -- [ From: Penn Hackney * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- There were at least a dozen excellent posts on Blake and gnosticism in early November 1995. I think these would be available in archive on the server? I seem to recall that Seth Ross, our generous list maintainer, said he wanted to make the archives available from the list-serv or on the www, but don't recall hearing whetrher this was done yet. Mae, if Seth cannot make the archive for November available and if you want the 12 I have, e-mail me and I'll zip 'em up and send 'em along. -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Monday, 15-Jan-96 09:48 PM From: Mae Tang \ Internet: (myt100@mailer.york.ac.uk) To: blake@albion.com \ Internet: (blake@albion.com) Subject: Re:Re: Brief introduction Greetings, [snip] But, back to Blake! ;) Or, what do people out there think of the idea of Blake as a Gnostic? (Probably a boring question; but back on topic!). Regards, Mae -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- -- Penn Hackney tcdpenn@fyi.net (year 'round) penn@worldnet.att.net (until the Super Bowl) Optimists believe we live in the best of all possible worlds. Pessimists fear this is true. .. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:43:56 +0800 (SST) From: LIM WEE CHING To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re:Bloom Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope this doesn't turn into a Harold Bloom discussion but I remember reading some reviews, particularly in_TIME_ magazine and _TLS_, when _The Western Canon_ was published and there seemed to have been some controversy. Can anyone remember what that was all about? Or is it still an on-going controversy? CHING ps-I know this probably doesn't have any relevance to Blake whatsoever, it was just a matter of curiosity, that's all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:59:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Mae Tang To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re:Bloom Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings! On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, LIM WEE CHING wrote: > I hope this doesn't turn into a Harold Bloom discussion Probably my fault if it does. . Oh well. > but I remember > reading some reviews, particularly in_TIME_ magazine and _TLS_, when _The > Western Canon_ was published and there seemed to have been some controversy. > Can anyone remember what that was all about? Or is it still an on-going > controversy? To kind of sum up, what the ruckus was about was that Bloom goes against the view that Feminist / New Historicist / Marxist / Ethonocentric, etc, schools of criticism ought to be encouraged, if they only take place at the expense of the Canon (of literature). He goes with the view that Art is useless (Oscar Wilde), and that we ought to stop having a guilt trip about that fact and trying to justify it by the ciritcal methods of what he refers to as the "School of Resentment", or the above categories of critics. He feels that reading is essentially an individual experience, (reminds me of what he said in that book on Religion in the US; I forget the title), and cannot be otherwise. The uproar comes in the disagreements, and yes, I think it's still on-going in places. The whole thing is rather easily tied into the wider question of Political Correctness, and that barrel of eels. Most of the book is then taken up with chapters on the major authors that Bloom feels to be central to the Western Canon. If asked for my point of view on the argument, I'd say that I agree with Bloom on that one. ;) Comments, lynch-mobs and other such activities via e-mail, please, so as not to disrupt the flow of Blake! > ps-I know this probably doesn't have any relevance to Blake whatsoever, it > was just a matter of curiosity, that's all. I think Blake would have approved of curiosity. ;) Regards, Mae ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:04:07 -0500 (EST) From: Nathan Miserocchi To: blake@albion.com Subject: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <9601170204.AA01950@abacus.bates.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 934 This is a call for assistance for anyone who has run across this particular item: I'm searching for a copy, codex or electronic, of Blake's _Milton_ -- one that includes _all_ of the plates; something like what Nancy Bogen did with _The Book of Thel_ back in 1971. The next best thing is a source for the 8 full page illustrations, preferrably in color. If anyone knows of a source off the top of their heads, I'd appreciate the lead, as it would save me several hours rummaging through on-line libraries in hopeful anticipation. Thanks, -n -- ***************************************************************** Nathan P. Miserocchi nmiseroc@abacus.bates.edu "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Eph. 6:12) ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:42:02 -0600 From: tomdill@womenscol.stephens.edu To: blake@albion.com Subject: Nobodaddy's Children Message-Id: <96011619420217@womenscol.stephens.edu> In case anyone is interested, I can now supply an answer to a query I posted a while back about a Blake citing/sighting. The trilogy of short novels by Arno Schmidt recently translated and published from Dalkey Archive as _Nobodaddy's Children_ does derive its title from Blake, though that may be as far as the relevance of the title goes. The translator's introduction includes the following: Schmidt suggested the title [for the trilogy], pilfering "old Nobodaddy," the anthropomorphic demiurge, from William Blake. ("Then old Nobodaddy aloft/Farted and belch'd & cough'd/And said 'I love hanging & drawing & quartering/Every bit as well as war & slaughtering.'") "You will have to let me know right away," he wroter, "otherwise I'll use the joke elsewhere." He was, in fact, intending to use it as the title for the story that later became "Great Cain." . . . And, indeed, the title remains something of a joke, since the reader can look high and low for William Blake here, and never find him. Unless, of course, the English poet is hiding in the name Blankenhof, the cluster of buildings that provides the narrator of _Brand's Heath_ with a ramshackle room over his head . . . So the reference to Blake is oblique, at best. I have not had time to read the trilogy yet--perhaps more is buried there than the translator noticed, but I guess I doubt it. Tom Dillingham (tomdill@womenscol.stephens.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:30:29 CST From: "Edward Friedlander, M.D." To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <3DDF36C7A2B@ALUM.UHS.EDU> I am, even as you write, trying to set up my own server. The first item will be Blake's "Milton", fully scanned in, and fixed up nice so that folks will want to stop by and enjoy the story. Any suggestions on how I should go about doing this? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:54:18 -0800 From: Devine/Apple@eworld.com To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <960116225416_22625020@hp1.online.apple.com> If you're not looking for electronic copies only, the Shambala/Random House facsimile edition of _Milton_ (1978) includes color reproductions of all the plates from copy B, as well as plates a-f of Copy D (in black and white). Erdman's _Illuminated Blake_ (Anchor Books, 1974) contains B/W reproductions of the plates from copy A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:12:30 -0500 From: "Gordon Barentsen" To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Re:Bloom Message-Id: <9601170912.ZM64866@rufous.yorku.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 16, 2:59pm, Mae Tang wrote: > Subject: Re:Bloom > > If asked for my point of view on the argument, I'd say that I agree with > Bloom on that one. ;) Comments, lynch-mobs and other such activities via > e-mail, please, so as not to disrupt the flow of Blake! > > > ps-I know this probably doesn't have any relevance to Blake whatsoever, it > > was just a matter of curiosity, that's all. > > I think Blake would have approved of curiosity. ;) > I think it's also important to remember, for any and (almost) all occasions, Blake's proverb that "Opposition is true Friendship." - Gord ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 08:25 CST From: MLGrant@president-po.president.uiowa.edu To: blake@albion.com, Devine/Apple@eworld.com Subject: Re[2]: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <199601171429.IAA14446@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> The Blake Trust / Princeton edition of Blake's *Milton*, edited by Robert N. Essick and Joseph Viscomi, reproduces Copy C (New York Public Library) in color, in full. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Eaves To: blake@albion.com Cc: ressick@ucrac1.ucr.EDU, viscomi@jefferson.village.virginia.EDU Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <01I0425KJS4Y99DI30@db1.cc.rochester.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Far and away the best available version of Blake's _Milton_ is the recent Blake Trust volume, ed. Essick & Viscomi (Princeton, 1993 or 94): _Milton_ is in vol. 5. Morris Eaves ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:03:45 CST From: "Edward Friedlander, M.D." To: blake@albion.com Subject: RCPT: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <3EA81C36CDB@ALUM.UHS.EDU> Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 16 Jan 96 21:30 To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Was read at 10:03, 17 Jan 96. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Michelle L. Gompf" To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jan 1996 Devine/Apple@eworld.com wrote: > If you're not looking for electronic copies only, the Shambala/Random House > facsimile edition of _Milton_ (1978) includes color reproductions of all the > plates from copy B, as well as plates a-f of Copy D (in black and white). > Erdman's _Illuminated Blake_ (Anchor Books, 1974) contains B/W reproductions > of the plates from copy A. > > There is also the Princeton Trust Copy of _Milton_. This is vol. 5 in the series. I don't have it yet, but based on the first 3 volumes it would be a good resource. Unfortunately thes copies are in hardback and run about $70. Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: Nathan Miserocchi To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <9601171755.AA25940@abacus.bates.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1510 > > I am, even as you write, trying to set up my own server. The first > item will be Blake's "Milton", fully scanned in, and fixed up nice so > that folks will want to stop by and enjoy the story. > > Any suggestions on how I should go about doing this? Thanks. > > As a matter of fact, this is why I'm searching for a nice copy of _Milton_. (BTW, thanks all who have responded to my request for a good source!); I'm working on a Blake archive also. Call it a whim, but I swear Elijah told me to do it. However, I'm not quite sure what "how" you are referring to: how to set up a server, or how to go about creating a *good* Milton. I scanned my Milton in and had to go over it fixing all the e's that came out as c's, etc.. If you know of a better way, the more power to you. My goal is to create a Milton text that: 1) has hypertext links to a main Blake dictionary I am compiling on-line. 2) has hypertext links to my commentary on the poem. 3) has a search/concordance function. 4) makes all the plates available for viewing. So far I'm still wading through my text and collecting images from Milton. -- ***************************************************************** Nathan P. Miserocchi nmiseroc@abacus.bates.edu "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Eph. 6:12) ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:28:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Mae Tang To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re:Re: Brief introduction Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Penn Hackney wrote: > -- [ From: Penn Hackney * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > There were at least a dozen excellent posts on Blake and gnosticism in early > November 1995. I think these would be available in archive on the server? > I seem to recall that Seth Ross, our generous list maintainer, said he > wanted to make the archives available from the list-serv or on the www, but > don't recall hearing whetrher this was done yet. I think I remember seeing some archives up--- I'll go see if I can find them again. Many thanks for the pointer--- I look forward to reading through that. > Mae, if Seth cannot make the archive for November available and if you want > the 12 I have, e-mail me and I'll zip 'em up and send 'em along. Very kind of you! I'll be in touch if I can't find them. Regards, Mae > Penn Hackney > tcdpenn@fyi.net (year 'round) > penn@worldnet.att.net (until the Super Bowl) > > Optimists believe we live in the best of all possible worlds. > Pessimists fear this is true. > .. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:45:45 -0600 From: jmichael@seraph1.sewanee.edu (J. Michael) To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <9601172249.AA26687@uu6.psi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With all this talk about scanning printed texts and putting them on the Web, I'd like to ask some general questions about copyright and the Web. I don't mean to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but I wouldn't expect the folks at Princeton and the Blake Trust to be thrilled at the prospect of their $70 book becoming accessible online for free. So, my questions are: 1. Do the restrictions on photocopying also apply to electronic scanning? 2. What about copying images from Web sites? I'm asking this on behalf of a colleague, who is setting up a Web page and wants to use images found on other Web pages, which usually have taken the images from museums but don't include copyright information. 3. Back to Blake: is the Blake Archive scanning in the original printed copies? That would seem to be what we're all looking for, rather than a facsimile of a facsimile. Jennifer Davis Michael University of the South jmichael@seraph1.sewanee.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:23:57 -0500 From: rooney@travel-net.com To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <199601180023.TAA04426@travel1.travel-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" let's just hope what ever scanned turned out well enough to iron on t shirts. (guess what new technology dad brought home yesterday) are you sure big guys lead by some lawyer won't come after you for doing all this. like on the simpson's when granpa did that buster keaton skit and the thugs mushed his potatoes on the floor. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 17:24:04 -0800 From: Seth T. Ross To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Re: Brief introduction Message-Id: <9601180124.AA00305@albion.com> Content-Type: text/plain > I seem to recall that Seth Ross, our generous list > maintainer, said he wanted to make the archives available from > the list-serv or on the www, but don't recall hearing whetrher > this was done yet. Not done yet. The WWW archive of Blake postings is started but incomplete. Mark Trevor Smith has worked on cleaning up the posts, but I haven't had time to catch up with his efforts. What we really need is a good mail-to-HTML filter that would archive our discussions automatically. Cheers, Seth --- A\ Seth Ross \ seth@albion.com\ AlbionBooks A A\ Independent Content Provider \ Books & Online Services A A\ MSN: Go "albion" \ http://www.albion.com/welcome/albion/sig/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:32:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Laplace-Sinatra To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, J. Michael wrote: > 1. Do the restrictions on photocopying also apply to electronic scanning? Yes they do. Some publishers do precise that their materials cannot be reproduced by *any* electronic means. > 2. What about copying images from Web sites? I'm asking this on behalf of > a colleague, who is setting up a Web page and wants to use images found on > other Web pages, which usually have taken the images from museums but don't > include copyright information. Unfortunately, unless it is mentioned that it is copyright-free one should not use images available on the Web (you never know...). Prof. Liu mentioned this problem when asking for images for the *Romantic Chronology* web site. Michael Laplace-Sinatra St. Catherine's College michael.laplace-sinatra@st-catherines.oxford.ac.uk *Romanticism On the Net*: http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~scat0385 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: Nathan Miserocchi To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <9601180243.AA17339@abacus.bates.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2461 This is regarding copyright issues. As I've already done some extensive work on my archive, I should know the ins and outs about copyrights. But, I don't. I've asked, and I've been given vague answers. Basically, who does know? I've seen EVERYTHING on the Web, some of it legit, other stuff purely pirated. I've yet to see any lawyers with big men except for the one's chasing nudey shots and porn pirates in Germany. Basically, I'm just playing it by ear right now... and I'm FAR too poor to worry about being sued. These are my thoughts: - You can copy an image on the net by simply clicking on it, hmmmmm. - There was an issue in court regarding the use of photographs electronically. Pardon me, I don't know all of the details. However, the deal was that the photograph was one object, but once it was scanned in, if one pixel was changed, was it another object? Who's is it? I don't know how the issue was resolved either. - I would have loved to have helped Blake along with a couple of bucks, while he was alive. But, I'm poor, Elijah told me to make the web site, and Blake has left his vegetated, corporeal frame. While I don't agree with stealing another's work, I do believe those of us with erudite pursuits, and teensy tinsy budgets, should have the right to access this type of information easily. - I enjoy doing this. I'm not trying to make any cash, even to pay for expenses, tax write offs, etc.. When I'm big and famous, maybe I'll have the entire thing copyrighted, and then hire a lawyer and some big men to run around after people. BUT, to be practical: - Is it legal to display scanned images of Blake's work on your archive? How do THEY know which book the plate came from anyhow, i.e., who's edition, unless you site it (which every thankful soul should do anyway as long as they're not too terrified of lawyers and big women). - Ditto for the text? I'm sure I've overlooked some issues, and ignored others here. I'd really like to hear from someone who's truly in the know about this stuff, as well as any opinions out there. -- ***************************************************************** Nathan P. Miserocchi nmiseroc@abacus.bates.edu "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Eph. 6:12) ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Eaves To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake-proj@jefferson.village.virginia.EDU Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <01I05IAATRE099DIUM@db1.cc.rochester.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jennifer Michael asked whether the Blake Archive was using original materials or facsimiles. Emphatically, original materials. We're still testing to determine the optimum method of reproduction for our purposes, but the goal is to make each image available in more than one form. Permissions are certainly a big, thorny issue. We, along with many others, are trying hard to find solutions--and that's bound to happen, sooner rather than later, we hope. Anyone interested in the plan for the Blake Archive should take a look at the home page: Morris Eaves (for Bob Essick and Joe Viscomi) http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/blake Morris Eaves (for Bob Essick and Joe Viscomi) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:55:38 -0500 From: rooney@travel-net.com To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Milton Message-Id: <199601181755.MAA29776@travel1.travel-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Something must be protected from copy rights somehow. Many web sites dedicated the Simpson's have been shut down by fox's laywers. The note's left by the owners indicate that if they didn't shut down thier site fox would sue. -------------------------------- End of blake-d Digest V1996 Issue #3 ************************************