From: blake-d-request@albion.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 1996 4:26 PM To: blake-d@albion.com Subject: blake-d Digest V1996 #131 ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blake-d Digest Volume 1996 : Issue 131 Today's Topics: Re: Hostility towards women Blake's Characters RE: Blake's Hostility to Women -Reply Blake's Characters -Reply Re: Blake's hostility toward women -Reply eloquence and eloquence Re: Blake's Characters Idiosyncratic Macaronic Neologism, An Re: Blake's Characters feminist bores and antivisionary elections Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections For Hugh Walthall: A Lark Re: Blake's Characters Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Vesely & Devine : An Answer Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:48:22 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Sonnemann u To: Blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Hostility towards women Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Last we I posted a message about a paper I was writing on the Arlington court painting. In this paper I tried to deal with the issue of Blake's attitude towards women. Blake in real life did not hate women, their are stories about how he and his wife worked together in his shop, apparently she coloured some of his prints. I also read a story about how he severly beat a man for striking a lady in public. This hardly sounds like a man who hates women. In my paper I came to the conclusion that Blake did not hate women, but was against what they represented. Women symbolize the vegetative world in which the immortal spirit is trapped. Women in Blake's art are the weavers of the corporeal body, the body we should cast aside in order to return to the eternal which is neither male or female. As Eugenie R. Freed indicates in her book 'A portion of his life" William Blake's Miltonic vision of women, Bucknell university press 1994 "So Los clearly indicates in his reply in Jerusalem to Enitharmpn's articulation of her fear that as " the poet's song draws to it's period," she will cease to be. Los answers, in effect, that in eternity, neither of them will continue to exist in the forms they had possed in the world of "generation." Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:45:46 -0500 (EST) From: bouwer To: blake@albion.com Subject: Blake's Characters Message-Id: <199611140345.WAA28381@host.ott.igs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am bored with the discussion of Blake's misogyny, tired of talk of maternal deprivation, womb envy, gender- bashing. What have these pseudo-psychological ponderings about Blake's possible opinions of women and their worth got to do with Blake's system, which is all we have to go on, and which seems to me to have momentous philosophical and even scientific implications.Why are we not discussing the travails of Enion? Why are we not spending weeks on the happenings around Enitharmon? Why are we not discussing why Los decided to construct Golgonooza around Enitharmon? So thank you Christopher Sonnemann of Waterloo Lutheran University in Waterloo, Canada for reminding us that the women in Blake's work mostly symbolize the vegetative world in which the immortal spirit is trapped and that in Blake's Arlington court painting some of the women are weaving the corporeal body, a body that will be cast aside when we return to the eternal which is neither male nor female. In eternity, there will be no fallen Los or a lost Enitharmon. But until we attain that blessed state, there is much to be learnt from the history of Enion and her relationship with Tharmas, in- sights to be gained from following the wanderings of the fallen Enitharmon, the history of Vala, the fate of Ahania. And then, at the Break of Day, Jerusalem that glorious female, the be- loved of the Lord, the centerpiece of Blake's thinking and desire. And they call him a misogynist, a negative portrayer of women! And the Bow is a Male & Female,... ... a Bow of Mercy & Loving-kindness laying Open the hidden Heart in Wars of mutual Benevolence, Wars of Love: And the Hand of Man grasps firm between the Male&Female Loves. (K 744) Gloudina Bouwer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:28:37 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, tfish@cc.cumber.edu Subject: RE: Blake's Hostility to Women -Reply Message-Id: Re Blake's ongoing `constructions and restructurings --I agree that the poet continually evokes through his own imagination vivid and dramatic images by means of which he not only illustrates, but brings to life for himself and others, his themes and visions of heaven and hell. Is this, though, the same as conscious rational setting out to balance and counterbalance, construct and deconstruct.? Such language is certainly in keeping with modern literary theoretical discourse, but perhaps some examples of perceived construction/deconstruction would help us to bring differingly expressed opinions together. For me, some things change , though much stays the same, because Blake, with his whole being focuses on restoring the human face of God - every new poetic and pictorial image serves this purpose -- not the lesser one of avoiding closure. Pam van Schaik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:43:48 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, izak@igs.net Subject: Blake's Characters -Reply Message-Id: Precisely, Gloudina ... we should be discussing what happens to Jerusalem when she is cast out and how she is restored to her former radiance. All the details you suggest we look at form the main substance of my doctoral thesis on Blake's Vision of the Fall and Redemption of Man ... I could scan in bits of this in response to debate, but this breaking up would be very time consuming ... when I get the web-site going on Blake here at Unisa, I'll therefore try to put up the doctoral thesis too so those interested can access it. Pam van Schaik, Unisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:53:01 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, reillys@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Blake's hostility toward women -Reply Message-Id: Susan, I have been trying to put the same views as you express re not reaffriming the special status of women by packaging them separately from men in our English Department here The trouble with toeing any party line in the name of political correctness is that it ultimately seems to have a negative effect. Here, in South Africa, catering for disadvantaged students may well end, for exmple, in just another form of `Bantu education' and people often forge out careers , less on altruism than on the new wave of jargon and rhetoric. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:24:17 +0000 From: John Ellison To: blake@albion.com Subject: Message-Id: <328AC921.7A2F@ntwrks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe John Ellison johne@ntwrks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:08:39 -0500 (EST) From: "P. Joubert" To: blake@albion.com Subject: Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe P Joubert jouberp@muss.mcmaster.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:12:09 -0600 From: enghhh@showme.missouri.edu (Howard Hinkel) To: blake@albion.com Subject: eloquence and eloquence Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you, Gloudina Bouwer, for your eloquent posting in which you Blake to speak for himself. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:09:16 -0800 From: Steve Perry To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Characters Message-Id: <328B7C4E.7459@infogenics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bouwer wrote: > > I am bored with the discussion of Blake's misogyny, > tired of talk of maternal deprivation, womb envy, gender- > bashing. What have these pseudo-psychological ponderings > about Blake's possible opinions of women and their worth > got to do with Blake's system, which is all we have to go > on, and which seems to me to have momentous philosophical > and even scientific implications. Hear, hear! No use wallowing in the limits of contraction! -- Visualising Locke, Bacon an Newton, analysing Blake's relative genital size. Steve Perry "Did he who made the Lamb make thee?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:06:49 -0500 From: WaHu@aol.com To: Blake@albion.com Subject: Idiosyncratic Macaronic Neologism, An Message-Id: <961114220648_2047377584@emout14.mail.aol.com> An Idiosyncratic Macaronic Neologism OR Golgonooza by any other name.... This is the third meditation on Golgonooza that I have offered. To recap: Golgotha, of course. Gallows and Potters field. Noos: mind (and from the greek too, those silly slaves of the sword) Zoa: animal (also in greek). OLGO is an anagram of LOGO (my word!) en archane ho logos....the opening of Revelation. Golgon is also GALL GONE, bile vented, gall is liver secretion, and vinegar on a sponge offered to a certain religious figure, OOZE, muddy river bank at low tide, but also the tannic acid in a keg that furs are placed in to cure. Smelly wretched stuff. Is Golgonooza a place with golden arches where you may purchase a Happy Meal? A good question. Why does Mr. Blake make up these krazy names? Look no further than John Milton's Pandemonium. Now, there is a neologism with legs! Straightforward, accurate, sleek--I'm telling you baby it's a running machine and you should have one in your driveway. All of Blake's name strategy is a variation on this. Quirky, inventive, outrageous, farther-fetched than Milton (in the good sense of having been brought from a farther distance: but stranger, like the hippos the Eunuch Admiral Zeng He brought back to the emperor from his voyage to Africa in 1418.) If Golgonooza is such a groovy place, or is gonna be when we build it, why does it have the name Golgonooza? (Don't bring the horse into the city, it's a trick!--excuse me for my Laocoon momemnt.) If you went to eat in a restaurant named Sammy Wu's Ptomaine Ptemple, would you be surprised if you got food poisoning? Blake's strategy, like all other great poets, is like P. T. Barnum's who had a guy just inside the entrance to the side show shouting: "This way to the egress." The rubes would go out and have to pay another dime to get back in. Magicians use misdirection. The concept of Golgonooza is trickier than one of those secret dungeon computer games, I rekon. If you think Mr. Blake is a straight arrow good egg Preacher on a train bound for glory, the egress is that way. Welcome to the dark side. Hugh Walthall wahu@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:52:58 -0500 From: TomD3456@aol.com To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Characters Message-Id: <961114225256_1149872514@emout07.mail.aol.com> I second (or fourth or fifth) Gloudina's call for discussion of Blake's characters and their stories. Her post about Vala some days ago was the kind of interpretation that helps me make sense of Blake while I read him. I will keep it in mind as I reread the rest of Jerusalem (I'm up to Chapter 2 -- slow going!) and then (hopefully) The Four Zoas. If we do have this type of discussion, it could lead to a more concrete approach to the gender-bias question, to wit: If Blake was imagining different faculties of the human being as "living creatures" (an amazing idea in itself), can women see themselves in his description as well as men? Indeed, can men see themselves in his description? To discuss this meaningfully, I think we each have to answer the question: How do I relate to Blake's characters? Are they true or useful for me in looking at my life? So here, for a start, is my own contribution -- not precisely on the Zoas, but on the Fourfold Man described in Jerusalem 15 ("The Humanity in deadly sleep/ And its fallen Emanation, The Spectre & its cruel Shadow"). I can relate to half of this fourfold "man". I can recognize the Spectre as my defensive ego (what the Sufis call the "Nafs," I am told, and Robert Bly calls "The Insatiable Soul"). It is continually criticizing others, finding reasons to feel good about itself (or bad about how it's being treated), putting others down. It uses "reason" to do this, but the foundations of its reasoning (its axioms) are vanity, selfish interests, prejudices. And I can recognize Los as the part of me that looks for something truer and deeper than what the Spectre seeks, something beyond my personal prejudices; the part that responds to Blake's calls for artistic effort in the continual rebuilding of Jerusalem. I can recognize in myself some of the struggles that Blake describes between these two characters in Jerusalem, Ch. 1, and I am amazed at Blake's ability to describe such intimate nuances of inner life. But I have not yet understood the Emanation and Shadow in my own life, except in so far as Los and Enitharmon's struggles mirror some of my struggles with my girlfriend. (And at this point, I notice I am merging inner with outer -- taking my girlfriend as my emanation--, or perhaps just confusing them. But then, sometimes I don't know if I'm reacting to my girlfriend or to something in me that I'm just projecting onto her....) As for the Shadow, it is still just a name to me -- I haven't "grokked" it. So I think Blake's description of Los and the Spectre (in Jerusalem, Chapter 1) is true and useful for me, as a description of some processes in my psyche (which I might not have recognized before I saw them described), and as an inspiration to keep doing Los-like work. Is it useful in the same way for women? And can someone tell me what the Emanation and Shadow are for him (or her)? --Tom Devine PS- A few extra questions: Is the struggle between Jerusalem and Vala something that women find in themselves? Does Blake describe it convincingly? And how about the torments of love and jealously between Los and Enitharmon? I find some truth in them. Do women? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:56:30 -0600 (CST) From: Suzanne Araas Vesely To: blake@albion.com Subject: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To the men who find the discussion on Blake and misogyny uninteresting, I point out that there is a delete key on your keyboard. I do not agree with Storch--I believe her to be wrong, not just a scholar with another opinion. At the same time, as Susan Reilley points out, Storch (as well as Anne Mellor, I might add) revive an old issue about Blake in a new light, and their concerns must be addressed: is the claim to prophecy merely a cover for psychological inadequacy? It will not do to reply to them by attempting to explain everything in terms of symbolism (Pam), although this has its importance in Blake. Pam ought to read Susan Fox's article on the subject of Blake and androgyny; androgyny becomes part of the problem. But more to the point, there is just too much of an emotional charge in some of Blake's antifeminist passages to explain them away, and biographical data makes it all the more imperative to take Storch's concerns seriously. Indeed, most male Blake scholars are unwilling to question this feminist position on Blake, feeling, apparently, out of their depth. I favor historical contexts in addressing the issue, as I have said before. But the foundation of this attack on Blake supports other agendas, which gives the questioning of Blake's personal adequacy disproportionate strength in the profession. The portrayal of Blake as misogynist has, I believe with some success, revived the old issue that Blake, and indeed, all visionary writers, are mad, and ought not to be canonical, or atl least, ought to be regarded at all times with suspicion. For me, such willingness to thus dismiss visionary thinkers is subtly antifeminist, even in feminist writers. How many women writers and public figures have been charged with psychological inadequacy when they dared to cross the boundaries society had set for them? Think of Wollstonecraft, crucified by the other bluestockings with the blessings of the male establishment. Two years ago, I witnessed a women's session on Blake at an MLA convention that was dominated by Mellor and Storch. It was heavily attended. The mood was clearly to bury Blake, not to praise him--the agenda was to bring to an end Blake's ascendancy in the canon. Incidentally, Blake is not the only male romantic Mellor has taken on with this intent. Her book on Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley is clearly intended to diminish Percey Shelley's stature. I don't think that the solution to patriarchal dismissals of women's writings--and discussions--is going to be resolved by turning the tables and dismissing male authors. If this strategy succeeds with regard to Blake, I believe that women's vision of egalitarian principles can likewise be dismissed. The mood is in the air: there was a distinctly antivisionary tenor in the last electin in this country, a vote for continuing backlash against any liberal thinking, a vote for continuing to erode the standards of education and the open atmosphere that scholarship has long enjoyed. Mellor and Storch cammot dismiss Blake singlehandedly, but they have made inroads: The frustrated student was not an odd fluke with no companions who wrote to the blakelist recently of having a class in which it was not OK to think of Blake as a creative artist, but only as a nut. And who is next? Suzanne Araas Vesely ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:32:06 -0600 (CST) From: Suzanne Araas Vesely To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Folks- Tom Dillingham has pointed out to me in a private posting that the people who said that they were "bored" with feminist issues were not necessarily men. I stand corrected--but I also stand by my suggestion to those who are tired of the discussion of Blakean misogyny, of whatever gender: you don't have to read it if you don't want to. No need for those of us who _are_ interested to shut down for you. I hope to have something to say about the questions raised on Blake's emanations that are more substantial later. I'm glad to hear that a male reader does not comfrotably identify with the idea that women are all emanations. Sometimes when I am in a Urizenic mood, I take my husband for a sort of wraith-like extension of my ego, but he always catches me at it and protests. Maybe that was what I was up to on the list _re_ men at 2 this A.M.! Suzanne Araas Vesely ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:40:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ralph Dumain To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Message-Id: <199611151540.HAA03276@igc6.igc.org> Sezanne Vesely's post gives me further insight into the extent and depth of academic corruption, for which I am grateful. However, I do have one question. If male Blake scholars are as obtuse as you suggest, how is it that the loudest noises about Blake's sexism, on this list for example, come from MALE writers, while many female scholars, including yourself, are far more sympathetic to Blake and attentive to the subtleties of the matter? Do the males have something to prove, perhaps? Is it the sensitive male syndrome, making feminist gestures to pick up chicks at MLA conferences? I don't know, because I am outside the literary profession and thank my lucky stars that I am. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: bouwer To: blake@albion.com Subject: For Hugh Walthall: A Lark Message-Id: <199611151646.LAA21160@host.ott.igs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hugh Walthall writes: "If Golgonooza is such a groovy place, or is gonna be when we build it..." Not WHEN we build it, buddy. It is being built in you and me as microcosms, in Man, in the Noosphere. It is being built by Los, the fallen Imagination to protect Enitharmon, his emanation. It is "continually building & continually decaying" (Jerusalem Plate 53. K 684) When investigating the structure of Golgonooza, I always seem to get distracted at the Eastern Gate, when the morning odours rise abroad (first from the wild thyme.) There stands a Fountain in a rock of crystal. The Fountain flows into two streams. One flows through Golgonooza (and through Beulah) to Eden. The other stream flows through the Aerial Void and all the Churches, but they meet again in Golgonooza, beyond the seat of Satan. Beside the Fount above the Lark's nest is Luvah's empty Tomb. Apparently the Wild Thyme is Los's messen- ger to Eden, the Lark is Los's messenger thro' the Twenty- seven Churches.( Milton 35. K 526) But in order to get to the Eastern Gate, you have to find the Moment in each Day that Satan cannot find. And that is pretty hard. It seems to me you have developed a technique for doing so. You zig zag. (That is what the Peter Falk character taught Alan Arkin in "The In-Laws.") Whenever you do say something on the listgroup, it always seem to make me laugh. Thank you for that. Gloudina Bouwer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:50:01 -0500 (EST) From: Scott A Leonard To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake's Characters Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As usual Divine & Bouwer make for interesting reading. It's amazing--or it would be if Blake weren't essentially right about everything--that the nature of the "spectre" came up in my grad class last night. Our conclusion (based only on the relevant passages in 4Z) was that the insatiable hunger of the spectre--it's obsessive and predatory appetite-- describes the "dis-ease" of the modern subject. One student compared it to getting depressed that one is not as rich as Bill Gates even though one has comparative material comfort. That's not the affect that my Spectre has an ME, but I do find that despite the manifold pleasures of my job and family life that I often hunger for something that is, if not MORE, at least different. A hunger that nothing ultimately satisfies---------too familiar. Also RE Divine's question about whether men and women feel that the four persons describe parts of them in some way, I'm curious about whether there might be other dimensions besides instinct, passion, intellect, and imagination that might describe the human animal? Scott Leonard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:07:05 -0600 (CST) From: Suzanne Araas Vesely To: blake@albion.com Cc: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Again, I must take some lumps for a generalization I made; this time I see tha I have been unfair to male Blake scholars. For a useful piece of work on Blake and women written by a man, see Brian Wilkie's very good monograph _Blake's Thel and Oothoon_, University of Victoria, English Literary Studies Monograph Series, no.48, 1990. Although his reading diverges from those of Storch et. al., he does credit feminists for having considered Blake's writings as a whole in an appropriate scholarly manner; no need to speculate on his intentions beyond that. Suzanne Araas Vesely On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Ralph Dumain wrote: > Sezanne Vesely's post gives me further insight into the extent and depth > of academic corruption, for which I am grateful. However, I do have > one question. If male Blake scholars are as obtuse as you suggest, how > is it that the loudest noises about Blake's sexism, on this list for > example, come from MALE writers, while many female scholars, including > yourself, are far more sympathetic to Blake and attentive to the > subtleties of the matter? Do the males have something to prove, > perhaps? Is it the sensitive male syndrome, making feminist gestures to > pick up chicks at MLA conferences? I don't know, because I am > outside the literary profession and thank my lucky stars that > I am. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:10:28 -0500 (EST) From: bouwer To: blake@albion.com Subject: Vesely & Devine : An Answer Message-Id: <199611152010.PAA05706@host.ott.igs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How stimulating to read both your letters this morning. They complement each other. It will be useful to comment on them together, at least initially. As a young girl I grew up in a society and in a period which was supposedly heavily patriarchal. I soon learnt,how- ever, that a lot of the supposed inequalities faced by women were actually of their own making: the desire to please, the desire to "catch a man," the subsequent assumption that you should not appear too intelligent. I learnt that most men ac- tually like intelligence and independence in a woman.In fact, most men will meet a woman on equal intellectual and emotional terms, given half a chance. They simply forget the gender gap. It was only when I started having to face taking a position for or against the socalled "Feminism" that I found myself in a real quandary. Here were members of my own gender creating a kind of apartheid, where I was supposed to feel and act differ- ently from men. I was angry about that, and my anger has tended to grow over the years. (I am not talking about those women who fight for equal chances for women in the workplace and other areas.) In most cases, if you meet a "feminist", you are meeting somebody with an agenda, an agenda which in actual fact very often does not have anything to do with women as such. It was therefore such relief and delight when I discovered Blake and his Characters. Here was somebody that created charac- ters to which I could relate. I was taught about the Urizen-energy in me, and how its emanation, unfallen, could be the delicious and fecund Ahania in me. I was also shown, in the fall of Urizen, how misusing and misplacing the cognitive ability could lead to disaster. In the Four Zoas I saw what could happen when the Luvah energy takes over; when we start to "think" with our emotions. And this knowledge is not only useful for individual persons. I believe that to understand the dynamics of the Zoas and their emanations help in the understanding of what makes a partnership work. If the one partner is a feeling luvah-person, a urizenic partner ( a thinking, logic- oriented person) is of invaluable help. And it always amuses me how often in a successful male/ fe- male relationship the woman possesses the dominant, hopefully un- fallen Urizen-element. I hope I have answered some of your questions, Tom. And Suzanne, thank you for your early morning post. It is only when women like you can put the spotlight on the whole range of the question, that one can begin to think clearly about what is im- portant, and what is just agenda-in-search-of-a-cause. Gloudina Bouwer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:49:39 -0800 From: Steve Perry To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: feminist bores and antivisionary elections Message-Id: <328CD763.13EF@infogenics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suzanne Araas Vesely wrote: > > To the men who find the discussion on Blake and misogyny uninteresting, I > point out that there is a delete key on your keyboard. > I don't find this discussion a bore, I find it mis guided, and since Blake has been dead for 160 plus years, largely moot. I think if Blake had used the terms Yin and Yang much of this discussion would never be occurring, and I believe this is exactly the context it should be seen in. Furthermore, I believe that all of the prophetic works should be seen in the light of a psychological epic, between forces positive/negative, dark/light, yin/yang, and (unfortuntately for Blake 200 later) masculine/feminine. The Zoas in their "unfallen" state are a-sexual, and the emanations, shadows, ghosts etc, are dramatic vehicles for what are psychological conditions, the conditions as a result of the fall. Emanations in the way Jung describes our externalized relationships are projections or creations of our internal, psychological landscape, See Tom Devine's apt and quaint post earlier in the thread. Blake exhorts us to "cast off... the Sexual Garments, the Abomination of Desolation hiding the Human Lineaments as with an Ark & Curtains..." Like Ralph Dumain, I find little value in critisism that is agenda based. Poetry for example is a better venue than literary criticism for dealing with unresolved emotional problems. Steve Perry "All that can be anihilated must be anihilated that the Children of Jerusalem may be saved from slavery" -------------------------------- End of blake-d Digest V1996 Issue #131 **************************************