From: blake-d-request@albion.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 1996 4:15 AM To: blake-d@albion.com Subject: blake-d Digest V1996 #120 ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blake-d Digest Volume 1996 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women Re: Blake on record? unusual? Re: biographical support Re: ELP CD Re: Leigh to Avery:purported Blakean hostility toward women On behalf of Kate Blake Re: Lunar Island##2 We need more emoticons...:) Re: ELP CD Re: Lunar Island##2 Hello everyone Re: We need more emoticons...:) Re: Hello everyone Re: We need more emoticons...:) Re: Hello everyone Re: Blake's apparent misogyny. -Reply Re: Blake's apparent misogyny -Reply Blake's alledged chauvinism Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply "Blake Ball" and CHESS Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Lunar Island -Reply Introduction (mine) -Reply Re: Blake on record? unusual? -Reply Poetry and painting the world purple and red Re: ELP CD -Reply Blake's alledged chauvinism -Reply ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:54:26 -0500 (EST) From: Leigh A Vrabel To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Avery F. Gaskins wrote: > I don't think Blake is so much a misogynist as he is a chauvinist. Witness his > deliberate choice of an unlettered wife and his unsuccessful attempts to dom- > inate her. > Avery Gaskins So only literate, scholarly women are lovable? Granted, I'm biased, as I'm a voracious reader. Nevertheless, I think it's presumptuous to assume that Mrs. Blake had no redeeming qualities and was chosen purely to gratify B's desire to dominate...love, that inexplicable affliction, descends upon us for the strangest of reasons, taking nothing into account but the heart's own particular whims...rambling diatribe ends...:) Leigh A. Vrabel PS: Does it really matter anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:19:32 +0000 From: Tom Fish To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Blake on record? unusual? Message-Id: <3275CC24.7875@cc.cumber.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Emerson, Lake, and Palmer album is indeed Brain Salad Surgery, and a joyous delight and mindtrip it is. A more recent musical evocation of Blake is the song "The Echoing Green" by Cause and Effect. I'll transcribe below their "version" of Blake. Great versification it is not but I like the connection made with Wordworth's "We Are Seven." For all of the unique power of Blake's idiosyncratic vision and verse, I continue to be impressed with the parallels (the echoes?) between Blake and other Romantic writers--this even though only rarely may there be any direct influence. Perhaps at times we don't emphasize enough this evocative quality of Blake's writing. I find that my undergraduate students respond quite positively and insightfully to my use of Blake as a touchstone to which we periodically return in exploring other Romantic writers. In particular, I find "The Book of Thel" and "America" to be extremely useful archetypal texts through which to explore and amplify other Romantic texts. Does anyone else have strategies to share about using Blake to explore other Romantic writers? Anyway, here are the lyrics to "The Echoing Green" by Cause and Effect. The Echoing Green They can see the world in a different light from the colored room of a child's mind. Innocence can keep your thoughts at play can you take the time when the lightning strikes you to do the things that you really want to when reason tells you just to run away. On the Echoing Green life is turned into a dream. On the Echoing Green It's something only children see. There's a lonely girl Who is not alone In her child's mind They have all come home. She told you that she still believes in seven. On the Echoing Green life is turned into a dream. On the Echoing Green It's something only children see. Tom Fish tfish@cc.cumber.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Avery F. Gaskins" To: Subject: Re: biographical support Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, Tom, as I read the record, Blake married Catherine Boucher on the re- bound, and the early storminess of the marriage stemmed from Catherine assert- ing her independence. It smoothed out only after Blake taught her to read and she became a true partner in his work. Avery Gaskins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 06:02:45 -0800 From: reillys@ix.netcom.com (susan p. reilly) To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: ELP CD Message-Id: <199610291402.GAA14707@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Hi Joshua, Even with the miracles of telecommunications, it amazes me to see a global community linking up in cyberspace--you in Okinawa, John at Oxford, and Yanks from all over North America (I'm new to the Blake list--there have perhaps been other countries represented...?). Welcome. What brings you to Okinawa? (You seem somehow to be transplanted) S. Reilly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 06:21:32 -0800 From: reillys@ix.netcom.com (susan p. reilly) To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Leigh to Avery:purported Blakean hostility toward women Message-Id: <199610291421.GAA15692@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> My good sense tells me it is foolhardy to jump into this debate, but against my better judgment, here is my two cents: I don't see that Avery was saying anything of the kind that Leigh implies (i.e. that only scholarly women are unlovable) but perhaps she was joking. I thought what Avery was trying to say was only that Blake, despite his radically liberal view of women at times (especially compared to the rest of the "Big Six," with the possible exception of Shelley) was nonetheless a bit chauvanistic in chosing an unlettered wife ( and there WERE lettered women around: Anna Seward, Mary Alcock, Hannah Moore, Anna Letitia Barbauld, Charlotte Smith, and Ann Yearsley will serve as examples of contemporary Bluestockings) insofar as it is generally true that such a wife is more easily dominated, having fewer options outside the marriage. As I recall it, Blake found her very lovable... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:29:09 CST From: "Ed Friedlander, M.D." To: blake@albion.com, "PEACH/DIANE"@vortex.more.net Subject: On behalf of Kate Blake Message-Id: <31130D15221@ALUM.UHS.EDU> > > I don't think Blake is so much a misogynist as he is a chauvinist. Witness his > > deliberate choice of an unlettered wife and his unsuccessful attempts to dom- > > inate her. Why would ANYONE believe that? Unless of course we're dealing with one of these ideological liberals or ideological conservatives -- if you're not one of them, and you are nasty, you're nasty, and if you're not one of them but are kind and decent, it's because you're really nasty deep down inside. Here are the facts that I remember. Kate could indeed read. She was "told by a spirit" to look for her fortune in a particular book. She found erotic doggerel. I don't know the literacy rate for the women in England in the late 1700's, or how many knew the classics like William. But how many men or women nowadays are "lettered"? (Actually, I'm more disturbed by Time Magazine's report that the first five graduates in line at Harvard couldn't tell the interviewer what causes the seasons. I bet Blake would have been able to explain this clearly and scientifically -- then added a mystical explanation.) Blake and Kate reportedly were found dressed like Adam and Eve in somebody's garden, reading Paradise Lost. Blake is reported to have asked his wife to let a mistress move in with them, but she cried and so he said no. Blake's interviewers usually reported that his wife was present, and that he talked with her during the interviews. Kate said, "Mr. Blake's skin don't dirt." In the letter to Butts ("Such a vision to me / Appeared by the sea"), Blake saw his wife and his "sister and friend" (his wife's sister?) in spiritual form. When Ololon descended to Blake at Felpham, his first request (he thought she was a Daughter of Beulah) was that the kindly spirit come inside to comfort his wife, who was suffering badly with arthritis. When Scofield and Blake got into their famous fight, Mrs. Blake apparently told Scofield something to the effect that she hoped that Napoleon would kill him. Blake's notebook sketch of his wife shows great tenderness and warmth. * * * Sounds better than a lot of marriages I know. -- Ed erf@alum.uhs.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:37:34 -0500 From: JOHN <106165.613@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blake@albion.com" Subject: Re: Lunar Island##2 Message-Id: <199610291638_MC1-B77-2711@compuserve.com> I'm afraid I have no idea where Island In The Moon would be available in the US. My copy is in a 1927 Nonsuch Press (Bloomsbury London) edition of Poetry And Prose edited by Geoffrey Keynes and complete in one (rather weighty) volume. This came from a second hand book shop in Oxford; we've got a lot of those here. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:09:02 -0500 (EST) From: Leigh A Vrabel To: blake@albion.com Subject: We need more emoticons...:) Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Susan was correct...I was, to a large extent, teasing Avery, but then again, I am a hairsplitter...I want to debate the definitions of "lettered" and "lovable" until the cows come home (perhaps I should change tracks and become a linguist). In all seriousness, however, I do think that Kate (and granted, I know very little about her) must have had some cerebral capacity, or else Blake would not have been able to stand her. Wit and intellect do not always manifest themselves in scholarly endeavors. Leigh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:44:44 +0900 From: Albion Rose To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: ELP CD Message-Id: <327688D4.7117@mb.inforyukyu.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit susan p. reilly wrote: > > Hi Joshua, > > Even with the miracles of telecommunications, it amazes me to see a > global community linking up in cyberspace--you in Okinawa, John at > Oxford, and Yanks from all over North America (I'm new to the Blake > list--there have perhaps been other countries represented...?). > Welcome. What brings you to Okinawa? (You seem somehow to be > transplanted) > > S. Reilly My wife brings me to Okinawa, although we call Seattle home. As a means of supporting us, and supporting me in my poetry, she is a Neo Natal Intensive Care Nurse in the U.S. Air Force. Which leads me to consider the life of a poet's wife. From personal experience I have noticed that a poet's wife, contrary to what some might believe, must be a woman of great strength as well as great love. Lettered or not does not matter. In spite of the obvious economic hardships attributed to a poet's life, which might attempt to prove her otherwise, a poet's wife must wholly believe in her husband and in his work. She must believe as strongly as does he. A weak woman will not do, since in time her insecurity cocerning her husbands purpose becomes a hinderance to the Creative forces within the poet. An added note: by far the best rendition of Blake to modern music, is that of Van Morrison on the CD entitled *Sense of Wonder*. I have listened to this song for years and will do doubt continue to do so for years to come. Peace joshua -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:19:47 -0800 From: reillys@ix.netcom.com (susan p. reilly) To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Lunar Island##2 Message-Id: <199610292319.PAA18386@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Thanks, John, for the answer re: *Island in the Moon* I've been to both Grasmere and to London several times, and know about the bookshops there, and have a chapbbok edn of Lyrical Ballads, a first edition of *The Prelude* (purchased at auction at Worsworth Summer Conference 1994) The Todd and the Symmond editions (complete) of Milton, and numerous other treasures acquired in your country. I am fortunate to live in the Northeast (of the US) and to live near and have studied in Boston, where second-hand bookshops abound. I will see if the Keynes anthology has been reprinted and meantime hope to come across a copy im my rambles--thanks again. S. Reilly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:20:13 -0800 From: Jose Interiano To: blake@albion.com Subject: Hello everyone Message-Id: <3276BB5D.237A@es.com.sv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, i'm new here, my name is Jose... ask about me!!! Read ya' soon! >From a Salvadorean poet... Jose Interiano ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:00:29 -0800 From: David Rollison To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: We need more emoticons...:) Message-Id: <3276A8AD.2D3B@marin.cc.ca.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leigh A Vrabel wrote: > > Susan was correct...I was, to a large extent, teasing Avery, but > then again, I am a hairsplitter...I want to debate the > definitions of "lettered" and "lovable" until the cows come home (perhaps > I should change tracks and become a linguist). In all seriousness, > however, I do think that Kate (and granted, I know very little about her) > must have had some cerebral capacity, or else Blake would not have been able > to stand her. Wit and intellect do not always manifest themselves in > scholarly endeavors. > > Leigh Can we admit that sometimes wit & intellect do not manifest themselves at all in scholarly endeavors? :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 20:59:15 -0500 From: church@utb1.utb.edu (Karen Church) To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Hello everyone Message-Id: <9610300159.AA03802@uu6.psi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Para empezar: De aqui o de alla? >Hello, i'm new here, my name is Jose... ask about me!!! > > >Read ya' soon! > >>From a Salvadorean poet... Jose Interiano > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Avery F. Gaskins" To: Subject: Re: We need more emoticons...:) Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Leigh, I never said Blake did not love her. It is possible for a chauvinist of his age to love and still feel women have their place. Not my position but that of many males of Blake's era. Avery Gaskins ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:29:31 -0800 From: Jean Mittelstaedt To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: Hello everyone Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961030182931.006d9134@toybox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 08:59 PM 10/29/96 -0500, you wrote: >Para empezar: De aqui o de alla? =20 > >>Hello, i'm new here, my name is Jose... ask about me!!! >>Read ya' soon! >> >>>From a Salvadorean poet... Jose Interiano Y despu=E9s, =BFlee Ud. el poeta Blake? Cheers, Jean Mittelstaedt strider%toybox@agora.rdrop.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:27:21 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, kward2@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: Blake's apparent misogyny. -Reply Message-Id: I find it interesting - and rather sad - that Oothoon's offer to provide Theotormon with many lovely female consorts should be found `distressing' because this indicates, yet again, that what critics have said distorts Blake's meaning. If it is understood that in Eternity, all the Emanations imitate Jerusalem who mingles her soft fibres with all the male spirits who desire her, then Oothoon is seen as wishing to return to the continual annihilation of Selfood in the other which is the central principle of innocence. The divine marriage is the most important symbol in Blake, and Oohtoon's lament , as well as the ending of Jerusalem ( as well as most of Blake) can only be properly understood, too, in relation to this. My insistence on this point has probably become boring to those who have been on the list all year ... but the fact that this answer is so often relevant to what puzzles readers must prove that there is a vast gap in published criticism on this point. Pam van Schaik, Pretoria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:20:24 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, tomdill@wc.stephens.edu Subject: Re: Blake's apparent misogyny -Reply Message-Id: Tom writes: `... reading any of Blake as though he "transcends" his time and place and profession and class is to move in the direction of all those filmy spirits we keep hearing about, ....' Who Tom is the `we' here. All on the list? Are you referring, perhpas to the view of Innocence I keep propounding as essential to understanding Blake? You go on to say that such a filmy view is tantamount to ` avoiding and violating what Blake makes abundantly clear about himself throughout he writing--that he is profoundly involved in his time and place (as indeed is *any real prophet* who is not just dabbling in spirit-rapping and "new age" sophistry and channeling fraudulence, ...' Once again, I need to clarify that to present a view of Innocence in Eternity as central to BLake is NOT to claim that he was not fully aware of the `mental chains' which bound his contemporaries and which , perpetuated in new forms in every age, will continue to keep man in `bondage' if not recognised for what they are. How can Blake write about the Fall of man without having any idea of what he fell from? As his themes revolve around the Fall and the way to recover Innocence it is essential to have a clear idea of what Albion's Children lose when Jerusalem is cast out as a `harlot'. To grasp that this upsets the unity of all `contraries' which are inherent in the godhead is essential. To interpret Blake in this way is NOT equivalent to siding with table-rapping, channeling and all the other emotive things you bolster your argument with. I see Blake as having his feet firmly in BOTH this world and the one preceding this in Etrnity, and succeeding this in Eternity. BOTH-and .... not either-or thinking is necessary to grasping his meaning. ANd it helps to have read widely in the esoteric traditions in which the other-world is always a given. Being a`real artist', well-versed in Greek, Hebrew and interested in mythology, BLake had no problem resisting the evils of this world while firmly fixing his gaze on `eternal ' realities. Pam van Schaik, Pretoria. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:45:21 -0800 From: Steve Perry To: blake@albion.com Subject: Blake's alledged chauvinism Message-Id: <32770791.53D@infogenics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a newbie to this list, I have been content to lurk and for the most part enjoy the discussions, but I was reminded why I didn't pursue a Phd in English lit when I read Ms. Gaskin's drivel. Talk about the limits of contraction! I have always considered Blake to be one of the MOST humanistic of all poets and artist to ever appear. His portrayal of the human condition, its woes and potentials are incredibly incisive and inclusive. One needs to go little further then Visions of the Daughters of Albion or the Book of Thel to understand that Blake was centuries beyond his contemporaries in regard to "equality" among the sexes. However, this is not the point. The point is that literary criticism (what ever that is) has become increasingly polluted with people like Ms Gaskin, who populate the same rhetorical denizens as Rush Limbaugh. Armed with scant insights they feel like they can somehow legitimize, and even make a living at exorcising their unresolved emotional issues in the academy. However, equally as guilty, however with slightly less offense, is the university establishment that offers succor to such shallow scholarship in the name of political correctness and the namby shield of academic relativism. I doubt Blake would have much time for Ms. Gaskin's onanistic endeavor, nor should we, as we are instructed that the "The eagle never lost so much time, as when he submitted to learn from the crow." Steve Perry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:00:14 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, TomD3456@aol.com Subject: Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Message-Id: I agree, Tom, that " that would seem to mean that there is neither male nor female after the Apocalypse (= in Eden? =in Eternity?), but Human Forms Divine. That seems to confirm that Blake's view of human souls is egalitarian: whether male or female, they are essentially Human". Also, you are right about not using Emantion as a strictly female term (which I loosely did, in my last posting though aware of the problem). His use of the term `emanation' seems to reflect the male/female nature of each of the radiances of the Tree of Life of the Kabbalah .. though mostly the emanations Blake dramatises are `female'. Plate 99, in which Jerusalem and Albion embrace in flames , I see as a moving representation of the restoration of Jerusalem to ALbion's bosom.when times are ended, and the true nature of divine love restored within ALbion. As I don't have my Erdman with me, can't comment on the other illustrations you mention. However, I don't think that one can conclude that ` there is never an imaginable "post-Apocalyptic world," only moments of inspiration, at least during this earthly life' in Blake's case. As I have consistently argued, rightly to understand his vision of Innocence is to understand his post-Apocalyptic world. Pam van Schaik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:24:28 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, jmichael@seraph1.sewanee.edu Subject: "Blake Ball" and CHESS Message-Id: Jennifer, the confrontation between the tiger of wrath and horse of instruction would work well on the proposed chess board, don't you think? In chess, I would certainly oppose Jerusalem to Vala as queens, as they are oppsed in the fallen world, metaphysically... but this would involve having Jesus as `King' and fallen Luvah as the opposed `King'. In this way, the chess pieces would essentially represent the divine vision of selfless love in opposition to those lulling ALbion's children into the torments of love and jealousy in the fallen world. The `horse' could be a chess `horse' in Vala's ranks, which would mean that the` tiger' would be a `knight' in the service of Jerusalem. Pam van S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:27:39 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Message-Id: Dear Nathan, Thanks for the book recommendation which is highly relevant to my own field of interest in relating Blake to Kabbalah and Behmen etc. Pam van Schaik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:33:31 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, cfaustin@ea.oac.uci.edu Subject: Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Message-Id: The last line of `Jerualem' reads: And I heard the Name of their Emanations: they are named Jerusalem In the light of what we have been debating, re emanations being both male and female, here we have a triumphant, jubilant victory of the unity of male and female within the godhead once Albion is restored to Innocence. How else can these lines be read if this is the resolution of all the Negatives created by the casting out of Jerusalem which precipitates the Fall? Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:42:51 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, GASKINS@wvnvm.wvnet.edu Subject: Re: purported Blakean hostility toward women -Reply Message-Id: Objection, Avery! Did Blake choose Catherine only because she was unlettered? No... he found her compassion irresistible, if I remember correctly from the old biographies of Wilson, etc. How did he try to `dominate' her? Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:45:30 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, 106165.613@compuserve.com Subject: Lunar Island -Reply Message-Id: The characters in `Island' are based on real-life figures and do present them as types, too. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:49:41 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com Subject: Introduction (mine) -Reply Message-Id: Dear John, What I love about the British is that they really do walk around with tattered copies of Blake - or brand new ones, lovingly clutched, and stand in front of Blake's portrait for half an hour in the National Portrait Gallery -- not for course credits, but out of sheer love. I'm one of that same brigade and was delighted to encounter others like this while on Sabbatical in Cambridge several years ago. Pam, Pretoria. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:07:21 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, tfish@cc.cumber.edu Subject: Re: Blake on record? unusual? -Reply Message-Id: Tom, re strategies for relating Blake to other Romantics.... I used to look at Shelley's `Prometheus Unbound' in relation to Blake's use of myth and perception of love as liberating. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:35:43 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com, rjoshua@mibai.inforyukyu.or.jp Subject: Poetry and painting the world purple and red Message-Id: Joshua, Perhaps we could see some of your poetry? I am delighted to find coincidences operating in a subtle way in relation to these on-line discussions. How do you like these: I have just finished painting in oils, a very ordinary white vase filled with flowers in purples and violets... originally on a red tablecloth , but as this looked too unvisionary in its heat, took out the red. Yesterday, I found second-hand music in a box --- and it was Parry's version of Jerusalem. 2 one in a million correspondences! And here is another: I opened, by chance, to the following entry in which Blake himself says, re poetry and painting: not a line is drawn without intention. As Poetry admits not a Letter that is Insignificant, so Painting admits not a Grain of Sand or a Blade of Grass Insignificant. (Keynes 610) What follows this is a very interesting description of Seth which I think our sysoperator probably knows? Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:38:21 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com Subject: Re: ELP CD -Reply Message-Id: SUsan... you left out South Africa. I'm in Pretoria. Pam van Schaik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:19:46 +0200 From: P Van Schaik To: blake@albion.com Subject: Blake's alledged chauvinism -Reply Message-Id: -------------------------------- End of blake-d Digest V1996 Issue #120 **************************************